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Though Christians today who were born into what is a widely accepted religion tend to downplay the incredible violence and death that was needed to get people to adopt Christianity the reality is it took incredible violence and death to get people to adopt Christianity and these altered Old Testament teachings and additions.
The reality is though still to this day the Jews themselves reject all of the New Testament because they don't believe Jesus was the Son of G-d but a heretic and that the disciples who later wrote these additional passages and modifications to the Old Testament were heretics too.
Basically the New Testament was forced onto people who worshiped different G-d’s the other existing pagan G-d’s but could not be forced upon the Jews who would not and could not accept that G-d legitimately dictated it.
While the Jews have for the most part remained passive in this protest it is a testament to their own conviction that many willingly and stoically accepted death rather than adopt the principals of Christianity.
The alliance that exists between Jews the original source of the Religion and Christians one stepped removed from that source is one of politics and in reality fairly recent politics.
From the days of Flavius Josephus (c.70 CE) until the present, historians have tried to find some trace of this event in the ancient records of Egypt. They have had little luck.
According to biblical chronology, the Exodus took place in the 890th year before the destruction of the Temple by the Babylonians in 421 BCE (g.a.d. 587 BCE) . This was 1310 BCE (g.a.d. 1476 BCE). In this year, the greatest warlord Egypt ever knew, Thutmose III, deposed his aunt Hatshepsut and embarked on a series of conquests, extending the Egyptian sphere of influence and tribute over Israel and Syria and crossing the Euphrates into Mesopotamia itself. While it is interesting that this date actually saw the death of an Egyptian ruler - and there have been those who tried to identify Queen Hatshepsut as the Pharaoh of the Exodus - the power and prosperity of Egypt at this time is hard to square with the biblical account of the Exodus.
Some historians have been attracted by the name of the store-city Raamses built by the Israelites before the Exodus. They have drawn connections to the best known Pharaoh of that name, Ramses II, or Ramses the Great, and set the Exodus around his time, roughly 1134 BCE (g.a.d. 1300 BCE ). In order to do this, they had to reduce the time between the Exodus and the destruction of the Temple by 180 years, which they did by reinterpreting the 480 years between the Exodus and the building of the Temple (I Kings 6:1) as twelve generations of forty years. By "correcting" the Bible and setting a generation equal to twenty five years, these imaginary twelve generations become 300 years.
Aside from the fact that such "adjustments" of the biblical text imply that the Bible cannot be trusted, in which case there is no reason to accept that there ever was an Exodus, Ramses II was a conqueror second only to Thutmose III. And as in the case of Thutmose III, the Egyptian records make it clear that nothing even remotely resembling the Exodus happened anywhere near his time of history. - excerpted from an article published in the Spring 1995 issue of Jewish Action
Originally posted by orangetom1999
Many Christians are incredibly ignorant of History and even Biblical History..a sad state of affairs but nonetheless true.
What is known but seldom taught in public schools or even by preachers today...is that no Christian has any such instruction to carry out such conduct from Bible sources. Any Preacher/Priest who carries out such doctrine is doing so from Sources outside the Bible. Christianity is not to be promoted by the Sword as is the case with many historical religions.
Originally posted by CuteAngel
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
You're purely speculating in this post. What a wonderful way to trash the New Testament!
The truth is that most of the people who accepted Jesus Christ as son of God and accepted him to be greater than Abraham (which in fact he was) were continuously prosecuted by both the Romans as well as the ancient hebrews. But no matter how many times they were prosecuted and killed more and more people took to christianity as it sounded more in attune to the truth. Finally it became so strong that rome had no other choice but to instate it as a state rule however they were a few details that were flawed in their version.
I did'nt want to go off topic but that post was an abomination.
Few can or with to carry their entire ancestral history with them every waking moment. People learn new things, develop, change. They are most often the sum of their personal experiences, not the writings of others in the dim past. We have to be thankful for that.
Thanks for the condensation, interesting take. I on the other hand am of the opinion that the PTB are more using what has been presented to them but I can see your line of thinking. That would explain why the Exodus is not recorded in Egypt. Wow, I thought my take was conspiratorial enough!
To me though the reality is no matter how much of a purist one is going through these texts and writings that comprise the various gospels and laws that people in the religions founded by Abraham follow that there is always an element of political exploitation involved.
For the sake of our discussion let’s call that Rome.
Often what’s in the book is not as important as the fact that people’s belief in the book binds them together in a common and shared belief and purpose and this often allows for them to be exploited in their G-d’s name even through it wasn’t written in the Bible and no near by burning bush told them to do this.
It’s usually a man or woman that tells them it’s their duty as good Christians to do this or that holding out that bit of added validation or absolution to motivate them as Christians to sometimes do some terribly un-Christian things.
One of the powers of people operating in a closed mindset/universe based on spirituality or morality put forth to them and instilled in them through religion is it’s very possible to anticipate how such like minded and affiliated people are likely to respond to certain circumstances.
It becomes much easier then to manipulate events that are bound to provoke an emotional reaction based on a shared spirituality or morality.
It’s often what is not in the book that leads to this exploitation of a people who in large part can be read like a book because they all read the same book!
However I do feel I am quite correct in my assertion that all religions are easily manipulated by politics in large part because the main concept and reward of religion is validation and absolution by G-d and eternal punishment or reward for achieving that validation and absolution through doing some things on sheer faith alone and accepting some things on sheer faith alone and that is exactly what good and bad governments alike prefer their citizens to do in following the laws they make and the policies they formulate on sheer faith alone in exchange for absolution for not challenging the state.
He also told colleagues at America's top military hospital that non-Muslims were infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire. The outburst came during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington DC, where he worked for six years before arriving at Fort Hood in July.
One Army doctor who knew him said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim soldier had stopped fellow officers from filing formal complaints.
Another, Dr Val Finnell, who took a course with him in 2007 at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Maryland, did complain about Hasan's "anti-American rants." He said: "The system is not doing what it's supposed to do. He at least should have been confronted about these beliefs, told to cease and desist, and to shape up or ship out. I really questioned his loyalty."
Selena Coppa, an activist for Iraq Veterans Against the War, said: "This man was a psychiatrist and was working with other psychiatrists every day and they failed to notice how deeply disturbed someone right in their midst was."
Originally posted by mike dangerously
I can't help but notice what a windfall this shooting is for people in your line of work with the general public beginning to ask just how necessary it is to use taxpayer money to fund and to increase the power of counter terrorism agencies you guys were looking to take a major financial hit and out of the blue a fanatic Muslim attacks some random soldiers. Funny how these things seem to happen...