Obama pledge to Native Americans

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Please get back on topic and discuss that topic, not one another.

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[edit on 5-11-2009 by Gemwolf]

Originally posted by Bored To Tears
I will call it stealing and treat them as thieves.

Theft? Ah, yes. Theft!

Theft

–noun

1. the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny.
2. an instance of this.
3. Archaic. something stolen.

This word describes policy toward the Native American people quite properly.

Originally posted by Bored To Tears
reply to post by apacheman

 

Take issue with the goverment, but leave my wallet alone.

Get your handouts elsewhere.

If you buy something, the payments aren't handouts.

If I bought your property and agreed to pay for it over time, then decided to stop paying because the agreement was so far in the past, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't feel that what I owed you wasn't a handout. You would demand return of the property for nonpayment, would you not?

Try this, maybe it'll help you understand it better (I'm guessing you're one of those who believe in the "sanctity of contracts"). The US signed a contract with the tribes. You are a shareholder in the US. As a shareholder, you incur the same obligations as the original signing party. Passage of time does not negate a contract. The terms remain in force until renegotiated.

The ONLY reason you feel you can get away with such attitudes is that you feel safe from retaliation. If the tribes became militant and decided to fight for their lands back and won some, would you still be spouting the "get over it" line to your fellow Americans? Would you tell it to your family as they were displaced?

Americans are extremely lucky the tribes are more patient and civilized than they are.

PLEASE EVERYONE :

Courtesy Is Mandatory

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[edit on 5-11-2009 by Bored To Tears]

reply to post by on_yur_6

there are no Native Americans.
the first migrants came from n\e asia.

So many mean remarks , yet you all walk on land that was originally theirs. I am happy to se my NATIVE AMERICAN BROTHEREN get some sort of recognition they deserve it, see Obama cool, how long have they been forgotton and they were here first SMH.

Originally posted by bigspud
reply to post by on_yur_6

 

there are no Native Americans.
the first migrants came from n\e asia.

TRUTHFULLY, the first were from CENTRAL AMERICA VIA SOUTH AMERICA.

Originally posted by Bored To Tears
reply to post by apacheman

 

I'm done with this thread, I can't stand whiners.

Have fun talking about how the white man keeps you down.

Last I checked, America wasn't just the white man, and we weren't discussing how he keeps us down.

We were discussing legal obligations that are being ignored, and real theft of real money and resources. I'm pretty sure that doesn't qualify as whining. I'm sorry you can't seem to handle a discussion of treaty rights and obligations on a rational adult level. It is always my hope that with patient exposition of the facts, Americans will eventually understand and tolerate genuine change for the better for the tribes. Unfortunately, too many appear to have the same mindset that leaves no conceptual room for truly independent Native Nations.

Sometimes it seems to me that Americans will never settle for less than complete genocide, if not by bullets, then by absorption and deprivation.

Why is that, I wonder?

If you want to watch that meeting live its on
Indian Country Today

Funny thing is I don't see Obama on the podium... must have had another ethnic group to pander too?

Originally posted by Bored To Tears
reply to post by whaaa

 

Maybe its time they stop blaming the government for their problems.

You picked a good screen name, it suits you.

Ever stop to consider that the government just might be the reason for their problems.

And as far as my screen name....Site owners and mods have on more than one occasion told me the same thing. eh Springer.....

In opening remarks, which received a standing ovation, Mr Obama said: "You will not be forgotten as long as I'm in this White House."

I wonder how many people actually stood up and asked, "HOW?"

Seems to me forked tongued Obama has a different agenda.

I can hear it now,
"White man stole our land, black man stole our casino's"

I hope they don't hold their breath. Obama's track record on promises isn't all that great. Nice photo op though.

Originally posted by Alxandro

In opening remarks, which received a standing ovation, Mr Obama said: "You will not be forgotten as long as I'm in this White House."

I can hear it now,
"White man stole our land, black man stole our casino's"

I know I said I was done with this thread, but I have to tell you that one was so funny it almost threw my wife into labor.

reply to post by ohioriver


Look the the Reservations are broke and poor, we were stuclk on that land. What I am saying is give us the same damn chance that the rich-middle class had. My family left the res a few generations ago, so we can get that chance. I am not say spread the wealth, I am saying spread the education around....

I think there are a lot of things that we can learn from Native Americans, both spiritually and here in life. I agree that they have been taken advantage of by our government and our government has been lax in upholding its end of deals signed. But this has been the case for generations.

I don't agree with many of his policies, but if Obama can actually make good on his promise then it'll be something I'll salute him for and give him credit for doing.

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13

Originally posted by bigspud
reply to post by on_yur_6

 

there are no Native Americans.
the first migrants came from n\e asia.

TRUTHFULLY, the first were from CENTRAL AMERICA VIA SOUTH AMERICA.

hmmm, 53 miles from russia to alaska, vs thousands of miles from polynesia to south america.

i believe the mongloids were first.