Senate panel approves Democratic climate bill, page 1

Senate panel approves Democratic climate bill

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee on Thursday approved a Democratic climate change bill that would require industry to cut emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases 20 percent by 2020 from 2005 levels.

With Republicans boycotting the committee's work saying more analysis of the legislation was needed, 10 Democrats voted to approve the legislation and one Democrat, Senator Max Baucus, voted against it.

The bill will now become one of several initiatives aimed at attacking global warming. Senator John Kerry is leading an effort with some Republicans and the White House to craft a compromise bill, which likely would not be voted on by the full Senate until next year at the earliest.

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reply to post by Mak Manto

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Funny to compare your avatar with your post.

One must be sarcastic. But which?

reply to post by Mak Manto

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Are you insane!
Don't you know it's all a big liberal conspiracy!!!
That profits for international corporations are what really matters!!!!
Look at our friends, Communist China! You know, the guys we owe trillions!
Why they have the sense to not even have pollution cotnrols and they are making money like CRAZY!!!!!
It's CRAZY to thing that nearly 7 billion humans could effect climate!!!!
And anyway, Jesus is on his way, so what does it matter?

reply to post by Stormdancer777

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Does anybody expected anything different, remember we have a system of government that doesn't listen to the people anymore, but for this bill comes with over 2 thousand lobbyist from the various groups that will be profiting from gouging America for private agendas.

Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by Mak Manto

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Are you insane!
Don't you know it's all a big liberal conspiracy!!!
That profits for international corporations are what really matters!!!!
Look at our friends, Communist China! You know, the guys we owe trillions!
Why they have the sense to not even have pollution cotnrols and they are making money like CRAZY!!!!!
It's CRAZY to thing that nearly 7 billion humans could effect climate!!!!
And anyway, Jesus is on his way, so what does it matter?

OK, maybe you can answer my questions?

How are our SUV's and cows changing climates on other planets?

What happened to "Global Warming?" The Earth is cooling now.

[edit on 11/5/2009 by Lemon.Fresh]

reply to post by Mak Manto

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Sorry, but I have to strongly disagree with you. Through out the history of the world, the Earth's went through warming an cooling periods it normal. Granted man may have a small part in it, but we are not to blame for the whole. Their is alot that effects our world; Volcanios, methane coming up from the ocean floors(I remembered seeing a show on the history channel about that), the sun we're going through a record period with no sunspots.

Originally posted by Chance321
reply to post by Mak Manto

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Sorry, but I have to strongly disagree with you. Through out the history of the world, the Earth's went through warming an cooling periods it normal. Granted man may have a small part in it, but we are not to blame for the whole. Their is alot that effects our world; Volcanios, methane coming up from the ocean floors(I remembered seeing a show on the history channel about that), the sun we're going through a record period with no sunspots.

See, here's the problem with your argument. You say "we are not to blame".THATS NOT THE POINT!!!!
We CONTRIBUTE!!!!
Don't think so? Tell me what would happen if nobody disposed of any garbage in America for a month? Think it would add up fast? Think it would trigger an increase in disease? Think it might actually start to change the environment in any way? Increase in vermin? Insects/ Any unforseen consequence possible? Think any of that might effect food production for example? And this from a simple accumulation of garbage.
How much energy do you think it might take to heat up the worlds oceans by.1 degrees? Or cool by .1?
Do you know the difference between weather and climate?
Are you people really so brainwashed by corporate intersts that you would even THINK of risking human beings future, just to assure the status quo of PROFIT? My, you are good little corporate soldiers!

[edit on 5-11-2009 by OldDragger]

Originally posted by Chance321
reply to post by Mak Manto

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Sorry, but I have to strongly disagree with you. Through out the history of the world, the Earth's went through warming an cooling periods it normal. Granted man may have a small part in it, but we are not to blame for the whole. Their is alot that effects our world; Volcanios, methane coming up from the ocean floors(I remembered seeing a show on the history channel about that), the sun we're going through a record period with no sunspots.

See, here's the problem with your argument. You say "we are not to blame".THATS NOT THE POINT!!!!
We CONTRIBUTE!!!!
Don't think so? Tell me what would happen if nobody disposed of any garbage in America for a month? Think it would add up fast? Think it would trigger an increase in disease? Think it might actually start to change the environment in any way? Increase in vermin? Insects/ Any unforseen consequence possible? Think any of that might effect food production for example? And this from a simple accumulation of garbage.
How much energy do you think it might take to heat up the worlds oceans by.1 degrees? Or cool by .1?
Do you know the difference between weather and climate?
Are you people really so brainwashed by corporate intersts that you would even THINK of risking human beings future, just to assure the status quo of PROFIT? My, you are good little corporate soldiers!

[edit on 5-11-2009 by OldDragger]

reply to post by OldDragger

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If you'll lose the attitude and reread what I typed, you'll see that I said "Granted man may have a small part in it" and that we are not to blame for THE WHOLE PICTURE.

reply to post by OldDragger

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The problem is that . . . this bills are not about that, clean air, clean oceans and clean energy, this bills are like all the bills in congress that had private groups agendas behind it with thousands of lobbyist paying congressmen to do what they want.

This bills are all for profiting sadly the profiting comes at the expenses of tax payers, you me and our unborn children, they do littler to fix the problems at all.

See these people doesn't give a darn about the earth at all they care about the profits they will be making on scamming the people.

reply to post by OldDragger

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I'll grant you a number of points on global warming. I think we pretty obviously are playing a major role in the increase in CO2 emissions, and it may well be having an effect on global temperatures. I'll certainly agree that we're dumping all manner of other garbage into the environment that isn't exactly healthy, either (and much of it is probably far worse than CO2 emissions).

However, I have to ask you a couple of questions. One, how does forcing corporations to pay for the right to emit CO2 actually reduce CO2 emissions when they can pass those costs onto consumers? Second, speaking of the consumer, how does a cap-and-trade bill benefit a working class family that is barely scraping by when energy rates under this type of plan will 'necessarily skyrocket', at least according to the president?

I have more concerns, but these two are fundamental to the entire cap and trade debate, at least in my opinion.



[edit on 5-11-2009 by vor78]

reply to post by Mak Manto

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It is probably all those cows.

They are even making other planets' climates change as well.

I suppose my cousin's new Yukon is responsible for the sunspot stuff.

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