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Topic started on 5-11-2009 @ 08:08 AM by x2Strongx

Planned Parenthood's abortion quotas exposed

www.wnd.com

A former director of a Texas Planned Parenthood branch who resigned after she watched an ultrasound-guided abortion told WND the clinic was pushing employees to strive for abortion quotas to boost profits.

"There are definitely client goals," former clinic director Abby Johnson said. "We'd have a goal every month for abortion clients and for family planning clients."

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reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:08 AM by x2Strongx

A quota for abortions. I'm sure they are a major contributor to the Obama campaign. Maybe that's why he so "Pro-Abortion".

Starting to sound like who ever Obama is in financially, he will make sure these favors are returned.

Oh yeah that's right... Planned Parenthood did endorse Obama back in July of 2008... (See Additional News links)

Come to your own conclusion...

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reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:21 AM by Shadowflux

From the article:

Johnson said the chemical abortion costs the same as an early first-trimester abortion: between $505 and $695 for each procedure.

"Abortion is the most lucrative part of Planned Parenthood's operations,"

She continued, "They really wanted to increase the number of abortions so that they could increase their income."

If all this is true then it's really sick. I'm not the religious type but to me this sounds evil. A woman's right to choose is one thing but increasing abortions to increase profit is just wrong.

reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:25 AM by RichyW

Wow abortion shouldn't be allowed in the first place... but this is pretty crazy.. it's like killing someone for money so they can pretty much call themelves assassins lol

reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:27 AM by thisguyrighthere

Eh, nobody is forcing people to abort. If their weak enough to be drawn into into it by some abortion recruiter tactics so be it. Probably better off without that sort of individual procreating anyway.

What gets me is isnt PP one of the numerous entities that some of my property gets funneled to via government extortion?

Maybe we can work out some figures that show the spending on PP that results in their abortion drives effectively reduces overall spending by way of criminal/welfare expenses that the children, should they have been born, would put on the system of extortion and redistribution.

That might make me feel a little better to know somewhere the money was being spent less unwisely than somewhere else.

reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:42 AM by Hayley777

when you look at it in a different way for one second...

The soul which is the personality, makes the person laugh, smile,cry,feel hurt, make choices, etc it does not enter the veihcle until the baby takes its first breath...thats why its so important-that first breath...we have to think about choices...if you fall pregnant and your not ready for it then thats your choice! you chose not to be ready at that time...the same soul will still come around to you again this time when you are ready-its not as terrible as its made out to be as its not a human being untill its born whats a body without a soul? nothing. As hard as that probarbly is to grasp-just think about it research it.Micheal teachings...very interesting books that where channelled.

reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:43 AM by Shadowflux

reply to post by thisguyrighthere

Or we could just go door to door killing people we think are causing too great a strain on our criminal/welfare resources. At least the unborn children have a hope of changing their lives, I suppose the adults are already set in their ways.

The fact that you would feel better knowing how much money you saved this year because of all the children of poor parents that were aborted is a little evil.

That is a dark and nihilistic idea

reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:47 AM by x2Strongx

reply to post by Hayley777

So you believe that the difference between having a soul and not having a soul is taking that first breath... I have a hard time believing that.

reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:50 AM by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by Shadowflux
That is a dark and nihilistic idea

No it's not. It's just reality.

It'd be a complete non-issue for me if this system of extortion and redistribution didnt exist at all. But since so many people are apparently opposed to liberty or simply freedom from organized tyranny the least we should is make sure the system is using our stolen property as wisely as it can.

Going door to door to murder people for whatever reason is a completely different issue. Funny enough it's what goes on today right now when you dont cooperate with the extortion. Jack-booted feds come knocking and kill you for you having the audacity to not bend over and grab your ankles.

Besides, if a person can't climb up out of absolute and perpetual despair or at the very least accept and learn to live with their situation they're free to take some rope and end their 'suffering.'

reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:52 AM by AllexxisF1

Originally posted by x2Strongx

A quota for abortions. I'm sure they are a major contributor to the Obama campaign. Maybe that's why he so "Pro-Abortion".

Starting to sound like who ever Obama is in financially, he will make sure these favors are returned.

Oh yeah that's right... Planned Parenthood did endorse Obama back in July of 2008... (See Additional News links)

Come to your own conclusion...

www.wnd.com

(visit the link for the full news article)

The conclusion I come to speaks volumes about you and your intelligence.

Because answer me this question,..how exactly does Planned Parenthood increase their profits?

Do they actually go to bars and force two people to have sex and then if they get pregnant convince them at their bedside with non stop "Bill Mays" 'esk commercials to get them to have the new Abortionaway product that just wipes unneeded children away.

Oh and of course in your mind Obama must be calling every single abortion clinic to make sure they keep up their quotas.

I swear, where do you people come from. What ridiculous right wing fantasy land did you spawn from.

reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:54 AM by AshleyD

reply to post by thisguyrighthere

Eh, nobody is forcing people to abort. If their weak enough to be drawn into into it by some abortion recruiter tactics so be it.

That's certainly an interesting perspective and I can see where you're coming from. The thing is, a woman is most vulnerable during her pregnancy. Sometimes even desperate or not thinking clearly due to some severe life changes that are ahead as well as many drastic hormonal fluxes.

So I can see where you're coming from but please see where I'm coming from: It's exploitative. They're taking advantage of desperate, confused, and vulnerable women in order to increase their company's profits.

Of course personal responsibility and the ultimate choice always falls on the individual. So I agree with you there. However, I can't deny that this is does reek of some being taken advantage of in a vulnerable state.

reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:55 AM by Shadowflux

reply to post by thisguyrighthere

Man, who rained on your parade?

You act as if these people want to be poor and in the situation they're in and that they're not just products of the exact same criminal system you keep saying is extorting money from you. Can't you see that we're all under the power of the same system?

The same system that has made profit the only motive and the only goal to pursue. The system that desires money so strongly it would cause people to seek profit from abortion. The system that has made you so bereft of sympathy that you are pleased to hear about an increase in abortions because it might save you money on your taxes.

The world is in trouble

reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:58 AM by drwizardphd

Originally posted by AllexxisF1

Because answer me this question,..how exactly does Planned Parenthood increase their profits?

Do they actually go to bars and force two people to have sex and then if they get pregnant convince them at their bedside with non stop "Bill Mays" 'esk commercials to get them to have the new Abortionaway product that just wipes unneeded children away.

I think the idea is they try to convince women who are having second thoughts about getting an abortion to get the abortion anyway, purely on the basis that it makes money.

And while I am all for a woman's right to choose, this is pretty low.

I think this is emblematic of a bigger problem: abortions shouldn't be done by private companies. It should be a medical procedure that is funded by the federal government in all instances, and all the counseling is done by impartial specialists who do not have ties to organizations that are profiting off of the abortion itself. Remove the financial motivation, and you can remove the greed that destroys lives.

What abortion clinics should really be doing is trying their best to educate clients about abortion, and try to only offer abortion as a last-case scenario, after all other options are exhausted. Not simply push the abortion on the poor woman like a car salesman trying to make a buck.

reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 09:04 AM by thisguyrighthere

reply to post by Shadowflux

Right. We're all living under it. But whenever it's brought up the problem of us vs. them or liberty vs. tyranny quickly gets shifted into us vs. us. Note my line here:

But since so many people are apparently opposed to liberty or simply freedom from organized tyranny the least we should is make sure the system is using our stolen property as wisely as it can.

As long as people refuse to fight the only real enemy we have as free human beings we're stuck with this crap. This petty and ultimately pointless crap.

Not to derail to further illustrate my point we can look at the recent thread of Maine's gay marriage vote. How many posting there don't get it? How many never will? It's not about whether or not your master, lord government, will permit or acknowledge your personal relationship. It's about the sad and pathetic state of man where so many believe government must permit and acknowledge your personal relationship.

So, back to where I started, as long as we're all happy being slaves we may as well be efficient. If not for our sake than for the sake of lord government.

reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 09:17 AM by Shadowflux

reply to post by thisguyrighthere

So if you can't beat 'em, join 'em?

That, to me, is accepting defeat. If, as you say, we should consider this system our enemy, then shouldn't we consider anyone who joins and endorses this system as our enemy as well?

I understand that most people don't get it, but I feel like you don't get it either.

I think you've lost your perspective, I feel you don't realize that we're talking about actual people here. These aren't just numbers, it's not just some abstract thing that can be looked at in a positive way.

reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 09:17 AM by Snarf

reply to post by x2Strongx

A quota for abortions. I'm sure they are a major contributor to the Obama campaign. Maybe that's why he so "Pro-Abortion".

You're "sure" but you didn't bother to check.

Talk about sensationalism.

This has nothing to do with Obama or politics...so why make it such?

[edit on 5-11-2009 by Snarf]

reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 09:19 AM by Snarf

Originally posted by x2Strongx
reply to post by Hayley777

So you believe that the difference between having a soul and not having a soul is taking that first breath... I have a hard time believing that.

But when considering a law, you cannot consider faith and religion.

To do so would be a major violation of the constitution.

reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 09:52 AM by AllInMyHead

I worked for Planned Parenthood as a clinic manager and I think this article is taking quotes out of context. I never saw or heard of ONE person EVER being coerced into an abortion. Patients were always counseled on ALL their options, including keeping the baby and adoption.

Yes, the clinics do have to make a profit to stay open as they do not get a huge amount of federal funds. They do look at their competitors and strategize how to get those patients to come to Planned Parenthood for services. Out of the thousands of patients that go to Planned Parenthood only a small fraction decide on abortion. They also provide a lot of other services including family planning, contraceptive counseling, and health services.

Abortion is not the problem. The problem is parents not talking to their children. You would be amazed at the number of young girls who come to Planned Parenthood every year that get thrown out of their homes (or are in fear of) because they found out they were pregnant. Their choices 1. Go on Welfare. 2. Drop out and get married to some guy they should have never had sex with and is to young to realize the responsibility of a child. 3. Have an abortion

Anyway, just my two cents....

reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 09:58 AM by thisguyrighthere

reply to post by Shadowflux

The only way to stop this sort of thing is to cut the funding off. Can't do that though because as soon as the notion of cutting off the beats food comes up all the idiots start buying into the "the Sun wont rise without your property being taken by us" crap politicians spew.

I'm all for putting a stop to this. But from what I've seen with my own eyes being the foaming hatred and venom directed by the residents of this state toward an elderly couple not paying their tax bill while the feds spent millions of dollars and hundreds of man hours to assault, beat and arrest them there is no way enough support to cut off the beast could ever be raised.

I try everyday to convert at least one slave into a freeman. Over the years I think I succeeded twice. We were all born slaves and we'll all die slaves and out children's children will die slaves because the people love to be victims.

The notion of 'giving up' is idiotic to say the least. Like two fronts cannot be held? Are so many really so absolutely one-track that they cannot participate in more than one action? Not to mention that my remarks of "happy slaves may as well be efficient slaves" are sarcastic and outlandish to prove a point. A point you claimed to get.

When a man says "since we're all slaves we may as well be happy/efficient slaves" the proper reaction, at least the reaction of a healthy thinking man, should be "f-that, I'm no slave" and inspiration/motivation ensues.

The reaction to seek out a line of attack against the individual saying the line is the backpedaling and pointless decent into us v us of previous mention. I believe you also claimed to "get" that?

Yet here we are. Avoiding the topic. The problem. Putting a stop to the problem. Because you feel offended by my "cruelty" and I'm stupid enough to waste time explaining in hopes that you really do "get" it. Meanwhile, we're all still under threat of imprisonment or death to hand our property over to a master who uses the extorted wealth to murder, enslave and terrorize on a global scale.

reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 10:27 AM by Shadowflux

reply to post by thisguyrighthere

I knew form your first post that you were being sarcastic, I do have a sense of humor. What worried me was your apparent apathy and lack of response to what is, yet another, blatantly sadistic example of an evil system. I feel that many people these days are so overwhelmed and overburdened by their debts to society that they would rather go along with something evil than risk further discomfiture by opposing it.

I try to open the eyes of everyone who will listen and I have succeeded more than a few times. All I tell them is that they are not slaves, they are and were born free. Your personal freedom is given away, piece by piece, because every move you can make is designed to keep you further indebted to the system. The decision to be free or be a slave is a personal one and is, very often, not a violent decision.

I am not a slave. The system gets nothing from me and I want nothing from it. I choose not to be a part of it because it is sick and designed to play to the whims of the richest players even if it's outcome is turning abortions into a competitive marketplace.

The only way to stop this sort of thing is to cut the funding off.

I agree, so stop funding it

Like two fronts cannot be held?

I believe it was Lincoln who said "A house divided against itself cannot stand." One must always operate with their own well being foremost in mind and I believe we agree that the system cares little for the well being of the individual. You can not have your own life foremost in mind and endorse a system which is to your detriment.

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