Originally posted by Dermo
Originally posted by alienesque
powerful?..why should anyone want to be powerful?..you only have power if someone else has none...your power is always at the cost of someone
elses.
the eu has been built on lies for the last 60 years...anyone who expects a good system to come out of such deceit is more optimistic that i am.
All member states knew what they were getting involved in when they joined.
Im not necessarily pro EU superstate but i am anti nonsense
if thats true you should look into where the present EU came from and the lies that have been spread for 60 years to keep the populations of europe
knowing what was really the goal of these people...
no one was told 50 years ago that the real goal of the EU was what is basically a USE...it was sold to us as JUST being a common trade area
etc..well..at first it was an agreement between germany and france regarding steel...we were told we need to change this and change that year after
year to help this or to make that work smoother..each step made sense...so most people thought each individual step was a good idea...but...we have
been lied too...the people behind the EU always knew what the EU really was going to be..
"There will be no peace in Europe, if the states are reconstituted on the basis of national sovereignty... The countries of Europe are too small to
guarantee their peoples the necessary prosperity and social development. The European states must constitute themselves into a federation..."
I told Heath how we had proceeded from the start, step by step, and how we had gradually created the Common Market and todays Europe, and that I was
convinced we should proceed in the same manner
3 April 1952 Monnet did say
The fusion (of economic functions) would compel nations to fuse their sovereignty into that of a single European State.
"No government dependent upon a democratic vote could possibly agree in advance to the sacrifice that any adequate plan [to build the EU] must
involve. The people must be led slowly and unconsciously into their abandonment of their traditional economic defences..."
Lord (Peter) Thorneycroft, Privy Councillor, Conservative Party Chairman 1975-1981. Chairman of 'Design For Europe' Committee, 1947, quoted by Bill
Jamieson in Britain Beyond Europe.
"In this area, we need much more - let's call it coordination and cooperation to soothe British feelings - than before. The real destination will
have to be described in different language."
Gerhard Schröder, German Chancellor
www.telegraph.co.uk...
'He also asserted that, "although the British, Dutch and French have insisted we eliminate all reference to the word 'constitution' ", the new
treaty "still contains all the key elements [of the constitution]".
Mr d'Estaing insisted that "all the earlier proposals will be in the new text, but will be hidden and disguised in some way".'