Why did the Catholics change the ten commandments ?

reply to post by DemonSpeedN

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Nice sidestep, can I get my apology? You never addressed the whole
other issue you said I was wrong about, so just a reminder:

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Looks to me that God views breaking 1 law is the same as breaking them all. That is why we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.

Carving images is a creative act. "You should not create, only God creates" is a distortion of spiritual truth. Being creative is being divine.

If one was looking through the Bible for a verse having to do with salvation and included the word, alone, what you would find is this one,
James 2:24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Doing a search for "Christ alone", results: 0
Doing a search for "grace alone", results: 0
Doing a search for "faith alone", results: the verse I quoted above.


From the above quote, in the King James Version,

Here is part of the commentary of this verse, by John Gill.
The dictionary definition for meet is,
What Gill is saying is that there is a perfect salvation that we know about by faith. The action of grace inside us makes us suitable recipients of the thing hoped for, in actuality.
My interpretation is that the work Jesus did by living and dying on earth broke the bond holding us to hell, and his Spirit is then permitted to be a gift to us, in this life, to make us ready to enter into the ultimate fulfillment of all the promises that have been given, from the fall of Adam, onward. Which is when Jesus appears to us and revealed as the Christ, to all the world. Those who have heeded Peter's admonition will be brought in. Those who have not been perfected through the work of God, from inside as to change a person, and evidenced though good works, will be cast out.


[edit on 10-11-2009 by jmdewey60]

Ephesians 2:8-9

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast


The works James is talking about is the evidence of faith, NOT requirements for salvation. Otherwise Paul and James are contradicting each other, which would undermine the scriptures.

So... unless you have never: lied, stolen, blashphemed, lusted, dishonored your parents, murdered, coveted, created an idol (such as a god that is pleased by your works), than sure, your works would get you in to heaven. But last I checked, the only man to ever satisfy the law to the T, was Jesus Christ.

reply to post by Skyfloating

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We were created in Gods image and as a result we are a very creative being . Given we cant come close to God's level of creating but to say we can't create is not accurate .

Read the verse that comes next, and is the conclusion of his thoughts.
By grace we have been washed of our sins in order to be like Jesus. As Jesus was without sin, so we should strive to be perfect and Holy. It is not a suggestion, but a requirement. We are to "Walk as Jesus walked".

reply to post by kingofmd

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Like I said before you misinterprate the Bible once again. What I believe James 2:10 is saying is if your guilty of one sin your are guilty of other sins. Basically when you do one bad thing to tend to do another and another, I could be wrong on my interpretation. Therefore I see no need for an apology even if I told you most of your beliefs are wrong.

They didn't change it. They just interpret where it actually starts deferent then Judaism

reply to post by Max_TO

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I believe the poster meant we 'can't create' as in; time, matter, energy as God can. God can break the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics with just a spoken sentence.. "Let there be..".

Of course humans can "create' this or that, but we cannot create time, matter, or energy.

God can.

reply to post by Freeborn

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I can will bet that if you were raised in any denominational church you have no true idea about the teachings of jesus. The reason I say this is not to put you down in any way but it is in the denominational churches design of themselves and the way they teach that proves that they dont know or just plain refuse to obey the words of god

testament means contract or (living) will

Old Testament mean just that; it is gods old contract with man. Why is there a new testament?So that man can come to truly know and do the will of god.

At the end of Hebrews it is stated and I quote Hebrew 8:13 "In that he saith, A new convenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." Another translation again Hebrew 8:13 "By calling this covenant new, he has made the first one obsolete and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear." Meaning it cant disappear until all Jewish people alive at that time had the chance to redeem themselves in the eyes of god and repent as the old law required them for they were all born under that covenant until the death and resurection of Jesus. Which that time has long passed.

But there is great news

Jesus in Mathew, Mark, Luke, or John made no mention of ten commandement as mattering to him. He only spoke of what one has to do to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Paul and Peter made it very clear the only way to enter into the kingdom of heaven was to be born again in the name of Jesus Christ, who will instantly and unconditionally forgive you of your sins and fill you with the holy/perfect spririt. And he will send a messenger to guide you as you do the will of god. That was in John 16:13-15

I could go on and on but believe you me I have never heard a denominational church preach the word of god correctly they pick and choose what they want and that is why they too are obsolete and will soon disappear just like the old testament. They defy the will of god, you cant blame them though for lying to you they told you they were denominational meaning they believe that the bible is the living word of god BUT not this part or I am gonna intrepet it my way. With the help pf the holy spirit that god has so gratiously provided for us, through the name Jesus Christ, it is impossible to misinterpret.

May God bless that every man finds his way home to the father, Amen

reply to post by Max_TO

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Oh dear; dont get me started!
Good on you Max for raising the forbidden questions! At least i know I'm not the only one to question the rubbish that has been put forth over the years by the Catholic Church as a representation of the prophet Jesus.
Without Jesus; they would have not had a monopoly business.

Satan is their next best friend.

With amended commandments, 'Incorruptables', A Veronica, then a Turin Shroud, and now a Nazi brown Shirt as pope!!!???
There is really no end to the amount of pomp and rubbish this fraternity will pump out (and for a tax-free dollar); to keep their 'flock' dumbed -down and submissive.....have a look at the threads that I did a while ago on Incorruptables and the amended Commandments.

Good luck with your thread; please continue with my blessing....hopefully a few sleepers have awakened since then (but I doubt it).
Expect no end to the ridicule and denial which will surely come your way for being so outspoken.

When you are born again the holy spirit which is part of the gift that along with eternal salvation Jesus gave us, you become a son of god also and will inherit all rights and powers do to the son of god. A son of god is translated in hebrew to mean ANGEL.

Jesus also said you could move mountains if you your faith in your belief was strong enough, meaning if you dismiss all disbief and just jump you could even fly. With god anything is possible.

Who cares about the 10 commandments when you can go to confession and have your sins wiped clean. You don't have to live by the 10 commandments then, don't you? You only have to live by one.

"Do What Thou Wilt"

what is the rest of that law? Dou what Thou Wilt, but love under will..i think thats right u can correct me

reply to post by Max_TO

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Simple. Because at some stage they were not willing to sacrifice their artists. But seeing how Michelangelo got blind from torturing hours on his back painting the celeing of the Sixteenian Chapel to be a whorehouse of saints and prophets, even showing God himself WITH cloathes?!?! Like some hipocrite watcher! (Bet Michelangelo laughs in his beard on some cloud, looking how the Africans copied and scaled the building, and got artists to do the celeing WITH masks, food and pay, together with security for the rest of their lives etc. An evil boss is brought down in the end, and the Poope is one of THE most horrible ones. Like buying your sould soul back from Satan. Not that it was any better for Raphael or any of the other for that matter.... The poppeye in Rome always makes sure he gets the greater cut or share or Cæsar....

Hebrews also said,Just as the sacrifices in the old covenant were a sign of, and not the actual, doing away of sins, the sign of the new covenant, baptism, is not the actual doing away of sin inside us. Paul wrestled with sin all his life. He wished to obey the law but his flesh was at enmity against the law. He never declared victory over sin in his body but the sinlessness promised with the return of Jesus.
The last words of verse 28 say, "but to bring salvation". Why would Jesus be coming to bring salvation if it was already accomplished? Because it is salvation by faith, that we have today. Just like the people of the old covenant had faith that if they offered sacrifices, they would have salvation, we look at Christ's sacrifice as being the "culmination of the ages" that brings all those desires for forgiveness to a surety. Because Jesus uses his own blood to enter into the Temple in Heaven to plead on out behalf. We should be like the Hebrews who waited expectantly for the return of the High Priest from behind the curtains of the tabernacle, as the sign of their acceptance, not having a premature celebration that we have nothing to worry about. We may have transferred our sins onto a sacrifice, but God has to accept it first. We do not want to be giving the offering of Cain, doing as we see fit. We should give the offering of Abel (our living offering), who followed the commandments.


[edit on 17-11-2009 by jmdewey60]

Why did God alias the Pope, change the constitution of all man kind?

Because he could, or thought he could. Does it really make a difference now that we see what those skunks have been up to all along? When will the Cure make a song called "Squeesing a Catholic!"?

If the commandments were truly the word of god, then what gives anyone the right to change it? unless maybe it was all a embellishment in the first place. an exaggeration of what someone thought they saw or a councils list to try to tame those whom required fear to live morally.