Why did the Catholics change the ten commandments ?, page 3
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reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 01:54 PM by Essan
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to
post by Max_TO



I just feel that Catholics and Protestants spend far too much time arguing about their differences rather than concentrating on that which they have in common


I'd say the same about all Christians, Jews and Muslims. They follow the same Abrahamic creed, worship the same god ....... and absolutely hate each other.

Odd thing religion.

What would God say? (unless of course, that is what he intended all along - and he is supposedly omniscient ...... )


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 02:54 PM by BillMe
Originally posted by Max_TO
reply to
post by StopComplaining

Also worth noting , the service didn't really cover the bible at all .


Some one wasn't paying attention. All Catholic masses have readings from the bible. Usually one or two old testament and two new testament gospels are read and then commented upon by the priest durring his homily. So there are usually four readings directly from the bible evey mass.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 03:03 PM by moocowman
reply to post by karl 12





I've always thought the commandments were conveniently 'borrowed' from the Egyptian book of the dead:


Probably because the Hebrews did not come out of Egypt but the Egyptians went out to Cannan and over time became what was known as the Hebrews.

The Egyptian theme runs right the way through the Bibles, and after all the first recorded incident of the invention of monothesim came from guess where ? Yup you got it Egypt.

The Egyptians as we know were very early participants in resurrection cults and guess which modern day religion practices this very same thing ?

What do the bibles describe ? A monotheistic dogmatic cult supplanted by a resurrection cult, the similarity with Egypt ?

A polytheistic resurrection cult usurped by a monotheistic cult then a complete reversal when the monotheists were exiled to guess where ?

Indeed everyone a winner babe, well except anyone who isn't !


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 03:19 PM by moocowman
reply to post by karl 12



Moses would more likely be an allusion to Ramses and Aaron to Horemheb, both contender for the throne upon the death of the holy father and back door pharaoh AY (addonay/) .

Moses/Ramses no doubt the transmitter and protector of the priests of the monotheistic Aten, Aaron/Horemheb a proponent of Thebes hence the golden calf (hathor), where did he disappear to ? back to egypt to take the crown.

Gods don't oder mass slaughter of a population which includes 60000 armed men, generals do, these were no Hebrews they were the Egyptian followers of the Aten

Where do the xtians think 2 million bonded slaves would acquire volumes of gold especially considering the population of Egypt was barely three million ???

As you rightly point out , the commandments the prayers (including some psalms) all have their root in Egypt.

The parting of the sea of reeds is to be found depicted on the temple walls and much more that I don't have time for right now.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 03:24 PM by zaiger
reply to post by karl 12



Why would it be importiant about who wrote what first? There are other things hijacked from egyptian beliefs by the christians. But when you have rules like do not kill,steal,lie and others those are just common sense, i do not think things like do not murder and steal were "stolen" or even borrowed from other religions i think it is just common sense.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 04:39 PM by Soldier of God
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to
post by Max_TO



The one thing the vast majority of Christians seem to forget is that it is the acts and deeds of man upon which he will be judged, not on his observance of obsure and man made codes and practices.

If there is a God and a Judgement Day then I will be judged on my own acts and deeds


If only we were lucky enough to be judged on our good deeds but we won't be, we will be judged by if we asked the Lord Jesus to be our Saviour and repented of our sins.
Period.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 04:46 PM by EricD
Here is a quick overview of the 'controversy'. A more detailed analysis can be found here: www.fisheaters.com...

(from that site)

When the Commandments are listed, they are often listed in short-hand form, such that, for ex., verses 8, 9, 10 and 11 concerning the Sabbath become simply "Remember the Sabbath and to keep it holy." Because Latin Catholics group 3, 4, 5 and 6 together as all pertaining to the concept "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me," we are accused of having "dropped" the commandment against idols. That Eastern Catholics list the Commandments differently never enters the equation for people who think this way; they are simply against those they probably call the "Romish popers" and that's that (I hope it doesn't bother them that Jews would accuse them of totally forgetting the First Commandment, or that Latin Catholics could accuse some Protestants of skipping lightly over the commandments against lust. And why don't the Protestants who have a problem with our numbering system go after the Lutherans for the same thing, anyway?).

Bottom line:

* chapter and verse numbering in the Bible came about in the Middle Ages

* the Catholic Church (which includes Eastern Catholics, too) has two different numbering systems for the Commandments given, one agreeing with the most common Protestant enumeration;

* the Latin Church's numbering is the most common in the Catholic Church and is the one referred to by Protestants who, ignoring Eastern Catholic Churches, accuse the Catholic Church of having dropped a Commandment;

* no Commandment has been dropped, in any case, but the Latin Church's shorthand for the Commandments looks different than the typical Protestant version because of how the Commandments are grouped;

* everyone knows how to find Exodus 20 in the Bible, anyway -- even us stoopid Latin Catholics; and

* we don't care how they are grouped together; we only care that they are understood and obeyed -- not because we are under the Old Testament Moral and Ceremonial Law with its legalism and non-salvific ritual (we aren't!), but because we are to obey God as children of the New Covenant, whose moral law includes the Two Great Commandments (to love God and to love our neighbor) which surpass the Decalogue, and whose Sacraments surpass empty ritual, being media of grace.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 06:26 PM by Nosred
reply to post by Max_TO



I hate to burst your bubble but those are two seperate commandments. Do you actually know all the commandments or do you just make false assumptions to bash religions? Also, why'd you compare Catholics to Protestants in this post? Protestants came after catholics.
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