The Fly Scientific explanation please ?, page 1
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Topic started on 5-11-2009 @ 03:46 AM by randyvs
I'm really very impressed with many of the intellectuals here on ATS. Scientists,
Biologists, Biochems and even students of the like.
However, I'm sort of challenging, definetly hoping for one of you to come up with
a solid explanation of the why, that is opposed to this question.

WHY IS IT POSSIBLE TO RESERECT A DEAD FLY.

This is not a joke.
The first thing you must be able to do of course is to aquire a fly WITH OUT
harming it. Try not to even damage the wings. so at the end of this thread I can make the claim
that" no flys were in any way hurt or disabled during the course of these experiments even though the fly died, this was only done with
the full knowledge of being able to bring the subject (the fly) back to it's life
as a fly". It's also a far better effect, if the fly goes on his merry way at the
end.
Once you have a subject, you will need a jar with a lid. Any size will do I guess, but
the size of a baby food jar would be ideal. All this does require a certain amount of expertise, in not harming the fly while catching and getting it into a jar full of water. That's right the jar must be filled with water. Well how else do you expect to kill the fly.

This is what you do catch a fly in your palm stick it under water in the sink. Oh
MY GOD FILL UP THE SINK FIRST! Once you have a fly unharmed in the water
take the jar and scoop up the fly filling the jar with water and cap the jar. This can be so much fun with coeds running around naked. Drown the fly. keep the fly
under water by flipping the jar over and over until you are satisfied the fly is dead .
Dead from drowning. Usually 15 -20 minutes. Pour out the water and set fly in a
pitri dish (however you spell it) or on the counter in the kitchen.
Now cover up the fly with salt just enough to completly cover the fly. A little pile
on the fly to where you can no longer see the fly. NO, JUST COMMON TABLE SALT!
Just wait if you did not harm the fly, it will crawl out of the salt and fly away.
Any body explain this?

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reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 07:56 AM by Drunkenshrew
reply to post by _Phoenix_



This purposeful reduction of the metabolic rate, called dormancy, is quite common in the animal kingdom. Submergence is one trigger, which can induce this reduction. Spiders and insects can use this strategy to survive harsh times. Submergence triggered dormancy is found for example in some Amazonian terrestrial arthropods during a flooding. The reduced metabolic rate can last for a longer period, this happens for example during hibernation.

But it can also last for only a short period. Examples would be hummingbird or swifts, which can fall into a torpor when the night is cold or they are starving.

I believe, that the comatose condition of the fly was just due to lack of oxygen. If kept underwater much longer would have died.

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

Hummingbird in torpor
www.youtube.com...



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reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 09:56 PM by randyvs
reply to post by Drunkenshrew


Thank you for your response I wasn't really expecting to much but this is great. I was wondering if anyone has ever heard of this before. All great feedback.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 10:23 PM by Arbitrageur
Here's a video of the experiment, but without the naked coeds running around:

www.wonderhowto.com...

Drunkenshrew's guess is a pretty well informed one, I think that's what happens, it's just revived from dormancy, not death.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 04:35 AM by randyvs
reply to post by Nimrod



That's a good idea nimrod. thank you for the response.
thanks to all y'all. No problem for you guys.
My faith is not unfounded.

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reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 07:05 AM by Devino
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How did you confirm that the fly was dead?
Just because it was not moving is not proof that it is dead, you'll need an EEG to monitor brain function. The fly goes through a metamorphosis stage in which it sort of hibernates, perhaps this is a form of hibernation that is innate in these insects. Of coarse the salt removes the water from inside his limp tiny body and so he wakes up.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 07:18 AM by randyvs

How did you confirm that the fly was dead?
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post by Devino



How do you think?
Doctors arn't the only ones who can have a stethoscope. sheesh


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 09:12 PM by Devino
Originally posted by randyvs


How did you confirm that the fly was dead?
reply to
post by Devino



How do you think?
Doctors arn't the only ones who can have a stethoscope. sheesh


I was being funny but the question is a good one. How can you determine between the fly being dead and hibernating? I don't know if "hibernating" is the correct term or not.

I remember doing this project in school almost 30 years ago, I think the fly eventually did die though.

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