US-Afghanistan withdrawal in 6-Months?, page 2
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reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 07:35 PM by plumranch
reply to post by LadySkadi





The "Go Deep" strategy proposed by Davis would establish an 18-month time frame during which the bulk of U.S. and NATO combat forces would be withdrawn from the country. It would leave U.S. Special Forces and their supporting units, and enough conventional forces in Kabul to train Afghan troops and police and provide protection for U.S. personnel.


This should be considered because after all durring the first 2 months or so of the initial war in the north, the CIA operatives were hoofing it alone, cooperating with the Northern War Lords and the B52s overhead. They were rather incredibly effective. A lot can be said for talented, highly trained forces.


reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 09:37 PM by SLAYER69
Originally posted by Beefcake
Mark my words we will never ever leave Afghanistan waay to much money to be made there for the military industrial complex, private contractors, cia, mi-6 run drug trade.



I think the Russian mob and the Chinese will do just fine after we leave. Remember there are billions to be made.

UN report: Russia becomes largest market for Afghan heroin
Russia has become the biggest consumer of Afghan heroin with 21% of all the drug consumed in the world, as of the latest UN Office on Drugs and Crime report “Addiction, Crime and Insurgency” published on October 21.

According to the report, no less than 70 tons of heroin were trafficked to Russia in 2008 – that’s three times more than to the US and Canada together, and much more than previously estimated.

“It's being brought to Russia across the unprotected, transparent, and I would call them virtual borders, which were established after the collapse of the Soviet Union,” says Viktor Ivanov, head of the Federal Drug Control Service.


Heroin Trafficking
At present, opium poppies are mostly grown in Afghanistan, and in Southeast Asia, especially in the region known as the Golden Triangle straddling Myanmar, Thailand, Vietnam, Laos and Yunnan province in the People's Republic of China.

The majority of the heroin consumed in the United States comes from Mexico and Colgmbia. Up until 2004, Pakistan was considered one of the biggest opium-growing countries.



Problems shooting up in Afghanistan
Afghanistan’s opium production is used to fund insurgencies against invading U.S. forces. The money from Afghan opium trickles through everyone in the country — from farmers to police to government officials. Outside the country, Afghan opium production is a $65-billion industry.

Afghanistan is now responsible for 92 percent of the world’s opium supply.

Most of this supply is distributed throughout Pakistan, Russia, Europe and China. Russia has been hit hard with heroin use, as deaths resulting from AIDS have exploded from 1,900 people in 2001 to 40,000 in 2007, 80 percent of which resulted from dirty needles.

The U.S. war in Afghanistan strongly influences Russia’s rising heroin statistics. After the U.S. went into Afghanistan, the Taliban needed more weapons and money, facilitating increased opium production. Russian gangsters trade military weapons with Taliban drug lords for heroin, fueling the vicious cycle with the U.S. military.


Source
Russia is the world's top consumer of Afghan heroin. Last month President Dmitry Medvedev warned that high drug use amongst the country's youth was a threat to national security.

Michel Kazatchkine, executive director of The Global Fund to Fight AIDS, TB and Malaria, said AIDS still carried heavy stigma in Russia and the government needed to address this.

"Something in society is malfunctioning and it is unable to talk aloud about weaknesses," he said.



11.5 kg of Heroin Seized in SE China
2009-08-25
Police in the southeastern Chinese border town of Zhuhai have recently seized 11.5 kilograms of heroin and arrested five suspected drug traffickers, Xinhua News Agency reports.

It is reportedly the biggest drug case in China in three years. Besides the large amount of heroin, police also confiscated other drugs, raw materials, a pistol and 97 bullets.


CHINESE NOW DOMINATE NEW YORK HEROIN TRADE
Sunday, August 9, 1987
Chinese criminals have taken over the dominant role in New York City's heroin industry, in a sudden restructuring of a multibillion-dollar enterprise that for decades was the preserve of the Mafia, Federal law-enforcement officials say.

Authorities say ethnic Chinese traffickers have recently been flooding the New York market with huge shipments of Southeast Asian heroin, or China White, which is among the world's purest.


[edit on 4-11-2009 by SLAYER69]


reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 10:47 PM by vincere1
reply to post by SLAYER69



sawweeet avatar, bad ass lookin, good job. Yes Oflama is going to pull and pray dude. He has no ties to the Unocal pipeline and does not give a damn because he does not profit from such. This pisses me off greatly for the simple fact afghanistan will always forever be "in the interest of American interests" piece of property with the pipeline. So when homie pulls and prays, and he will, we will still have to go back in a TARFU situation and repair a FUBAR pipeline at the cost of, yes you guessed it, SOCOM personnel. Security firms are already tabbin it bud so no worries in the long run. Gonna be a git yur rocks off continent in the future but the pullout is going to have TERROR ramifications guaranteed.


reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 11:16 PM by dooper
reply to post by jam321


I agree totally.

Credibility.

We keep going places, doing half-ass jobs, and then pulling out, it's going to be hard to find anyone to trust us in the future.

We have the greatest air power, the strongest navy, the most advanced weapons platforms, the most accurate weapons systems, the fastest military, complete control of the air, the most intelligent and dedicated soldiers.

Commanded by the biggest, sorriest, most politically motivated crease kisser General Staff in existence.


reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 11:30 PM by vincere1
reply to post by grantbeed



nada there is always something going down dude. President Oflama has a conscience about heroin and black blood. Nothing wrong with that. You ask advice the generals give it. Here is the result: less deaths on marines and soldiers to leave smoky mountain in the future. Guard pipeline, burn poppies PEF, and kick Paki brother hood ass. Blowback: terror funding increases based off weak commodity position, which equates to the 3 B's bullets, beans, and bombs. OPEC postion does not change, funding to syrian brothers and HAMAS does not change, result increased attacks on US interests and soil.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 12:52 AM by Beefcake
reply to post by SLAYER69





I think the Russian mob and the Chinese will do just fine after we leave. Remember there are billions to be made.


Absolutely, Every big countries intelligence agencies have a hand in the drug trade not just the CIA and MI-6. It is a tremendous money maker and all off the books.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 07:55 AM by Mr Magoo
I just cannot see the anyone leaving Afghanistan until everyone is either microchipped -or in a Fema camp.

Think about it, the Taliban would almost most certainly destroy the Opium fields again and that is something that the NWO can in no way afford to let happen. Remember folks, the 2001 crop was 185 tonnes, with an estimated 80% of that coming from Hamid Karzai's 'Northern Alliance'... And even with a recent decline from 8200 tonnes in 2007 (don't forget the Taliban are strong again, and hate Heroin) it is still likely to be above 7500 tonnes in 2009.

Quote...
"However, just as the Taliban regime successfully, but counterproductively, prohibited opium production in 2000, bringing opium production from 3,300 tonnes in 2000 to 185 tonnes in 2001[1], their regime was toppled by the U.S. military intervention in response to the September 11 terrorist attacks. Then, in a rather chaotic Afghanistan, opium production resumed and grew back to normal in a matter of only one year (3,400 tonnes in 2002). Since then, despite national and international pledges, eradication threats, bargain deals with opium farmers, and international development aid, Hamid Karzai’s new democratic Afghanistan has failed to curtail or even stabilize opium production. Much to the contrary, after six years of peace-building, state-building, and economic growth, Afghanistan broke two successive all-time records of opium production, in 2006 (6,100 tonnes) and again in 2007 (8,200 tonnes).
Source...
cria-online.org...

That is an awful lot of misery and suffering on the streets and all thanks to the sterling work of our boys in the Military!


Following the Afghan invasion in 2001, in Europe, the PTB swamped the area with thousands of tonnes of cheap heroin just to top off the flood of cheap cocaine since the decade before. I concede therefore, that they have - momentarily - subdued much of the previously burgeoning popular resistance.
If, however... you take away the Heroin, TPTB will not have enough loyal Luciferian troops and Police prepared to maintain their Satanic quest, especially against a strong and sober public. It's not rocket science.

They don't NEED the arms trade in Afghanistan to survive... They NEED the opium. Boy, how they NEED that Opium!

[edit on 5/11/09 by Mr Magoo]


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:39 AM by antonia
reply to post by Beefcake



I'm leaning in the same direction as you. I remember reading crap stories like the one posted before my husband went to Iraq for the second time. I'm taking this as a notice he's going to Afghanistan again.
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