I WILL bash on Obama, every chance I can get., page 9

reply to post by Common Good

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Well you didn't just sound like a parrot mouth for Rush Limbaugh.

How original.

reply to post by Common Good

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Thanks for posting this. I agree with you. He and his so-called "CZAR" appointees need to be impeached now. Where I live; there is a movement for this sent to our congress and state officials.

reply to post by Common Good

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So Mr. Common Good, i take it you are refusing to engage in a intelligent discussion on this topic? Top of page two of this thread, I posted some thoughts in the hope of a discussion, yet you either pass over them.

I fully respect your right to say whatever the hell you want, but i do not respect a person who dodges a debate of this magnitude when you, yourself, brought it to light. I didn't sit here and make baseless comments about someone, and only provide two crappy examples.

Lets deny ignorance. Why not engage in a debate with me about this, maybe you can save a little bit of face and make yourself seem less like a typical obama basher.

and just so you know, i am by no means an obama fan boy. i voted for mccain, i accepted obama as our president with the thought that hey, if anyone is going to provide some sort of difference, it would be a newbie. So far i have been proven wrong, but it would be highly ignorant of me to sit here and say "I WILL bash on Obama, every chance I can get."

Almost as saying "I WILL eat turds every chance i can get, just to make some people squeamish."

Lets be intelligent here. lets have a discussion. what do you have to lose?

and yes, you should consider this a challenge. lets man up and be adults.

reply to post by pilotdavems

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Impeached on what grounds?

Cmon, don't let your hatred of this man because of political differences influence you on your ideals.

Impeach him on what?

C'mon. What exactly can he be impeached on?

What because of Czars? Really? Reagan had Czars. I don't agree with Czars but they are allowed. So if it's Czars your against, that's not a good reason for impeachment

Impeachment is done for High crimes and misdemeanors. So Prove your point or shut your politically instigated crap up.

He should be impeached. What kind of crap is that? Cause he doesn't fit within your narrow band of political feelings? That's bull crap. You only feel that way because your candidate lost. TOO BAD SO SAD. That is the American political system for you. If you don't like the Republic cause the Republic elected a candidate you like, you should move to another country.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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Um no need to go into the welfare rate of this country but young people these days DON'T WANT TO WORK! So I'm not saying mandatory work programs are the solution but you gotta do something to get these damn kids out of the house to start doing something. Maybe not where you live but around where I live kids just try to mooch off their parents till their 30, the work ethic of this country is absolutely terrible. Also when I was in high school I got to have half days as a senior for work study programs, WHICH I LOVED! So please don't talk to me about work ethic in this country.

reply to post by felonius

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i agree that this sounds as a bash, and maybe it is, but how much does it ring true?

the way i see it is that it is a call to get off your behind and do something about your situation. don't throw a pity party. the only one who can change your life is you.

it even works as a call to get things changed in the system if you find it that wrong.

fight against illegal immigration (in a way that doesn't make you sound racist...which is tricky i know, but there are smart ways to go about it to where when they call you racist, you look at them and tell them they are ignorant and here is why, at which point you lay out the law, you lay out the process to be a citizen, and those are THEIR facts that they live by.)

I think people choose (concisely or not) to see what a politician says as negative. we all know they lie, but they do not lie all the time.

reply to post by iamsupermanv2

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This isn't a Obama problem, this is a Government problem.

The government ignores the real situation.

The companies hire these people. It's not the government's problem that private companies give illegal aliens refuge and ability to work in this country.

Is private corporations that are the problem. If private businesses are shut down completely for one illegal working for them, they would change their policy.

You want American jobs to stay in America. Make it a capital treason crime to hire illegals. Make it so that companies that do this immediately get shut down. I grantee that the immigration problem will then be immediately reduced.

Originally posted by iamsupermanv2
reply to post by Common Good

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So Mr. Common Good, i take it you are refusing to engage in a intelligent discussion on this topic? Top of page two of this thread, I posted some thoughts in the hope of a discussion, yet you either pass over them.

I fully respect your right to say whatever the hell you want, but i do not respect a person who dodges a debate of this magnitude when you, yourself, brought it to light. I didn't sit here and make baseless comments about someone, and only provide two crappy examples.

Lets deny ignorance. Why not engage in a debate with me about this, maybe you can save a little bit of face and make yourself seem less like a typical obama basher.

and just so you know, i am by no means an obama fan boy. i voted for mccain, i accepted obama as our president with the thought that hey, if anyone is going to provide some sort of difference, it would be a newbie. So far i have been proven wrong, but it would be highly ignorant of me to sit here and say "I WILL bash on Obama, every chance I can get."

Almost as saying "I WILL eat turds every chance i can get, just to make some people squeamish."

Lets be intelligent here. lets have a discussion. what do you have to lose?

and yes, you should consider this a challenge. lets man up and be adults.

Sup Superman. No, I was not ignoring you, I was simply letting everyone get what they thought off their chest, afterall, if I were to debate every single person in here who disagreed with me, i wouldnt have time to eat, sleep, or take a crap.

With that said, I do not know exactly what it is that you want to debate?
You want to debate the title of this thread? "I Will bash Obama every chance I can get"? ok.
First off... it wasnt my INTENTION to provide examples. It was my intention to say what was on my mind, thats it. I only showed those two videos because someone asked me to give them an example, which I did. I am sorry if it wasnt good enough for them, but to me, someone who leads this country should rule it with an ounce of dignity towards his fellow men and women. I do not believe that he was in ANY position to make excuses for ANYONE in this country except for himself for whatever reasons he felt that he must.
But, we really dont care about those two videos now do we? It runs much more deep than that and that is why I have been getting some of the responses I have been getting so far. IMO everyone has their own opinions, and I let them state theirs, andto tell you the truth, I saw just as much bashing and hate towards me as I have provided towards the President. That to me, is ok, cause like I said, everyone has an opinion.

Since you asked nicely..I will try to make this as clean as I can for you. You asked me why the whole "I willbash Obama every chance I can get?"
You think(and a couple others) think I stated that just to sit back and throw all rational out the window, just to hate. Let me be very clear here..
I Do NOT hateJUST TO HATE...I am just not that kind of guy, and if you look at any of my other posts, you will notice that. I always, and I mean ALWAYS have reason for saying the things I say, Imight not always give an example right then and there, because quite frankly, he has been screwing up a lot since he took office. Imnot going to sit here and dig through every single scrwe up just to satisfy those who think I NEEDto provide them with examples beforing feeling the way I do.

Lets be truthful here for a second...I can sit here and say I dont like Obama because of his affiliation with Acorn, his affiliation with crazy priests, his affiliations with rezco, his way of social engineering, his ways of talking to people like he is better than they are, his attitude like he knows whats best for us, and the rest of us dont know what we want, his total lack of understanding how the economical situation in this country works, just throwingmoney on top of money, on top of money, trying to band-aid every single problem we have. His in ability to be a great commander in chief, a man that has inherited two wars, and has been on the fence for over a month now still trying to decide if he should send more troops to afghanistan when his generals themselves have told him"hey we need them". His affiliation with all the news organizations trying to get them on his side and blocking out everyone else who doesnt believe in his rhetoric. I can talk about his throwing bills through congress before anyone has a chance to read them, because we are in so much of a god damn hurry, yet here we are, unemployment is still on the rise, people are going hungry, cities such as detroit burning to the ground, car manufacturers in the possesion of the govt, banks getting constantly bailed out...I mean really....Do I need to continue? I can go on for days...but doyou want to know what superman, it doesnt matter.
People still wont care, even if you show it to them, they will still deny everything that you have shown them to remain onto that last glimmer of hope. It really, really, makes me sick to my stomache. And all the while people are cheering "Obama, Obama, Obama", like he is some sort of Superman , Superman. Im tired of it.

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[edit on 5-11-2009 by Common Good]

reply to post by whatukno

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i get that, but i am inviting those who see this viewpoint into a debate so we can get some clarity on why they feel the way they do.

we must understand each other and hopefully work together. not sit here and bicker and get no where.

we got the politicians doing that enough for us. lets educate each other.

i'm willing to have my view point changed or altered. i have ideas, not beliefs. beliefs are dangerous. ideas not so much.

reply to post by Common Good

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i agree with most of what you have just said.

my point in "throwing the gauntlet" if you would is to try to prove a point.

This debate is already chock full of emotion and tomfoolery, and i personally think that starting a thread like this does nothing but hurt your/my cause and view point.

We went through 8 years of this with bush, and it looks to be another 4, maybe 8 of the same thing. i know part of it has to do with the increase in use of sites like these, but the only way to change it is to stop doing it individually.

I'm not trying to single you out, but you know that when you start a thread like this you are putting yourself out there.

This has gotten to a point that if you are going to make a statement like this, you MUST provide proof, and more than what you find enough.

Saying that, just as i dont see it fair for you to make a statement like this and not provide adequate representation of your argument, it is also not fair for people to jump your stuff in a way like has been seen....because it has gotten to a point where i can't start a positive thread about obama without it being jumped as an obama lover, and i cant start one being critical without being labeled basher.

sometimes facts are facts people.

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