If you dont like the idea of poor people suffering. if you hate the notion that only people with money should get proper medical attention. and IF youre a true American and patriot,then a USA style NHS national health system [borrowed from the UK idea] will be see you put an X in the ballot box.

For too long poor Americans have had to rely on free clinics,go into dept to afford hospital attention or simply do without medical help. [surely danergous and a sad state of affairs for the 21st century]. its is nothing short of a scandal that people in the USA dont have a free/national health system.

real Americans [those with a conscience for the poor] will not only invite higher taxes to pay for the USA NHS,but they will embrace it.

suffering is bad. poor people suffering because the middle classes and rich won't miss the odd burger here and there to pay the tax to pay for it,is very bad. real Americans know this.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm willing to bet that those who do not agree with a public health option do not want to see people suffer. At a personal level, I agree with you. But the issue should be considered ideologically (as you have) and economically. In short, I believe we should be forcibly suscribed to a government service only with a great deal of thought and debate.

Secondly, comparing the NHS that operates in a country of 52 million people, with a nation such as the U.S is wishful thinking. I am of the opinion that an "as is" solution would lead to generalized bankruptcy.

Thirdly, I've always believed that being a "Real American" involves having the liberty and choice in determining their own future, without catering to patriotic peer pressure.

Well since I am no real American stated by your extremely superficial definition, I want all the benefits the illegal non-americans get as well.

Because you are a true American you can roll over and take it up the rear in taxes to pay for it, and you won't even care. You are a true American after all. Being an American has nothing to do with Freedom and working hard to achieve things in life. To be a true American you have to subscribe to the ideology that we must all live in a welfare state sucking the tit of the Government. Piss off.


I am sick and tired of the holier than thou people on this site, that feel they can make broad based assumptions about people. I am sick and tired of the forced rhetoric and blatantly racially charged rebuttals of those who support the current administration. More often than not when policies are questioned, a person is slated as being a racist. I am sick of it, if I had to chance a guess I bet a majority of TRUE AMERICANS feel the same way.

I work for a living, I provide a life for my family. At one point I had to work 3 jobs in order to do it. Even if the jobs I worked were "beneath me" I did what I had to do because I ACCEPTED the RESPONSIBILITY of my family. Unlike many others in this country who feel it is absolutely wonderful to sit on their asses while they collect a check or other services off the backs of TRUE AMERICANS. If someone wants to "buy that burger" I say let them have it, they freaking worked for it. THEY EARNED IT!

[edit on 4-11-2009 by Doom and Gloom]

[edit on 4-11-2009 by Doom and Gloom]

Do not allow the charge of $400 for a small tube of crazy glue(liquid bandage) used in ER to seal cuts.
Do not allow the charge of $200 for Ibuprophen and Tylenol.(per pill)
Do not allow the charge of $125 to just be seen, (not treated just seen)
Do not allow Hundreds of Millions to be spent on worthless advertising for drugs that can only be acquired by prescription.
Do not allow Big Pharma to pay for and distribute political pamphlets for local and state representatives promoting an issue.
Do not allow Big Pharma to lobby and buy your representatives.
Do not allow millions of dollars to be wasted on dinners, gifts, trips, cars, vacations, buildings.

I agree everyone should have medical care.
But there are cost cutting and savings ideas that were never addressed that can bring things into line BEFORE you begin to apply GUILT and before you REACH into my wallet.

I see this as a slippery slope and just a door opening to then allow more excuses for financial abuses.
The categories for "demands" will increase and tax tax tax till there's no more to tax.

I assume youre reaching into your wallet with a deep firm grip?
If you dont mind sharing? How do you generate income for yourself and your family? Do you work? or do you collect from the state already?

Do you have good health care now?

You mean to tell me that all of my family who have served and are presently serving are not real Americans?

It's simple...


Why would REAL Americans vote for something that is based on a foreign non-American type of system?

I'm not sure we're actually voting on this. If I had a vote, I'd be trying to do something a little more useful and less bureaucratic.

As an accused leftist liberal(heh), allow me to state I in no way support the baucus/pelosi health care plan.

i guess this goes down in the list of

"only real americans support the war"

when bush was in office.

nice try... NEXT!

My mom's side of the family is rich.

My dad's side is poor.

I can tell you why with one word.

EFFORT

in other words,judging form all of your replies,your too selfish to help poor people when the are ill and need it most. shame on you all.

like i said,forego a few burgers and blue ray dvds and help out your fellow Americans...IF...you are a real American and are interested in 'life.liberty for all..'

Why would REAL Americans vote for something that is based on a foreign non-American type of system?

What's non American about health care for everyone despite their income?

My money!
My guns!
My freedom!

*cry*

One day people who think this way will evolve, until then if you get cancer and are too poor for insurance and too rich for welfare it's probably your own damn fault anyway.

Originally posted by ewokdisco
If you dont like the idea of poor people suffering. if you hate the notion that only people with money should get proper medical attention. and IF youre a true American and patriot,then a USA style NHS national health system [borrowed from the UK idea] will be see you put an X in the ballot box.

I'm hoping you are an honest fellow, rather than a troll, so I'll give the benefit of the doubt. I'd like to think that serving my country in the Marine Corps cements my "real american" status, yet I disagree with an NHS style system.

That being said, there is no connection with policy opinion and the "realness" of one's nationality.

For too long poor Americans have had to rely on free clinics,go into dept to afford hospital attention or simply do without medical help. [surely danergous and a sad state of affairs for the 21st century]. its is nothing short of a scandal that people in the USA dont have a free/national health system.

Nothing is free, ever. Someone always pays, and the choice is how to do it, not if it should be done.

real Americans [those with a conscience for the poor] will not only invite higher taxes to pay for the USA NHS,but they will embrace it.

I'm unclear, because this flies in the face of the large majority of American history, culture, and political foundations.

Can you explain why it's not?

suffering is bad. poor people suffering because the middle classes and rich won't miss the odd burger here and there to pay the tax to pay for it,is very bad. real Americans know this.

I fail to see any of the following in your argument:

1) What the connection is with the price of the "odd burger" and health care.

2) What is the Constitutional authorization for the Federal Government to set up such a program?

3) Is there no other way to provide a better health care model, economic model, or social structure than Central Government planning?

[edit on 5-11-2009 by KrazyJethro]

Originally posted by ewokdisco
in other words,judging form all of your replies,your too selfish to help poor people when the are ill and need it most. shame on you all.

like i said,forego a few burgers and blue ray dvds and help out your fellow Americans...IF...you are a real American and are interested in 'life.liberty for all..'

You are under the impression that because people think the government shouldn't do it with taxes that it shouldn't be done at all.

Do you have any evidence that health care is more of a human need than food, water, clothing, shelter, or climate control?

We do not provide those to all Americans, so why should health care be first? Is the American people uncharitable? I think you'll find we are, even with a high debt stagnant wage environment for 30+ years now.

Originally posted by Merigold
What's non American about health care for everyone despite their income?

Two questions:

1) What historical, cultural, or legal framework is there to say otherwise?

2) What is the Constitutional authority to provide national health care?