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reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 07:43 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by nenothtu



Do a little reading. Hizbollah is not a Palestinian Orginization.

Palestinians are stateless in Lebanon and are not allowed to work in Lebanon.

The Palestinians in Lebanon where driven over the Lebanese/Israeli Border back in the late 40's. They have been in those camps in Lebanon ever since.

They aren't allowed to work, they aren't allowed civil services, the U.N. is responsible for taking care of them.

Hizbollah provides them some additional civil services.

Hizbollah, like Hamas and Fatah have civic as well as social arms.

Sayyid Muhammad Husayn (Hussein) Fadlallah was born in Najaf, Iraq, in November, 1935, but his roots were in Lebanon. He was the son of the late 'Abd al-Ra'uf Fadlallah, a major Shi'i Muslim cleric from the town of Ainata in southern Lebanon. In the 1980s Fadlallah emerged as one of the leading political figures in Lebanon, where he attracted a wide following in the large Shi'i community, particularly within the ranks of Hizballah (or Hezbollah), the "Party of God." From the pulpit of the Imam Rida mosque in Bir al-'Abd, a suburb of Beirut, Fadlallah's sermons gave shape to the political currents among the Shi'is, especially during the latter half of the 1980s.


Doesn't sound Palestinian to me.

Lebanese Shi'ite Islamist organization. Founded in southern Lebanon in 1982 as a response to Israel's invasion there, its original goals were to drive Israeli troops out of Lebanon and form a Shi'ite Islamic republic similar to that created by the Iranian revolution of 1979. Its political stance, in the main, has been anti-Western, and its members have been implicated in many of the terrorist activities that were perpetrated in Lebanon during the 1980s, including kidnappings, car bombings, and airline hijackings, a number of which were directed at U.S. citizens. It has purportedly received strong material support from Syria and Iran and throughout the 1990s engaged in an intensive guerrilla campaign against Israeli forces in southern Lebanon. At the same time, Hezbollah actively aided the long disfranchised Shi'ite community in Lebanon, providing social services not offered by the government. In the 1990s the party's candidates won seats in Lebanon's parliamentary elections, and the group's leaders have since sought to soften its earlier image. Despite a unilateral withdrawal of Israeli troops from Lebanon in 2000, the party continued sporadic attacks across the Lebanese-Israeli border, and in 2006 it fought a 34-day war with Israel. See also Muhammad Husayn Fadlallah.


Doesn't sound like Palestinians to me!

Muslims, traditionally the weakest religious group in Lebanon, first found their voice in the moderate and largely secular Amal movement. Following the Islamic Revolution in Shīʿite Iran in 1979 and the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982, a group of Lebanese Shīʿite clerics formed Hezbollah with the goal of driving Israel from Lebanon and establishing an Islamic state there. Hezbollah was based in the predominately Shīʿite areas of the Biqāʿ Valley, southern Lebanon, and southern Beirut. It coordinated its efforts closely with Iran, from which it acquired substantial logistical support, and drew its manpower largely from disaffected younger, more radical members of Amal. Throughout the 1980s Hezbollah engaged in increasingly sophisticated attacks against Israel and fought in Lebanon’s civil war (1975–90), repeatedly coming to blows with Amal. During this time, Hezbollah allegedly engaged in terrorist attacks including kidnappings and car bombings, directed predominantly against Westerners, but also established a comprehensive social services network for its supporters.


Doesn't sound like Palistinians to me.

Answer.com, Encyclopedia Britanica and everyone I know who is Lebanese would disagree with you friend.

But hey why let the facts get in the way.


reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 08:03 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by nenothtu



Here are the ground rules if you want to debate this...

Learn some real History first. You haven't a clue about Hizbollah's founding or even the status of Palestinians in Lebanon.

Palestinians in the camps can't even get out of the camps because the camps are ringed by Regular Lebanese Army.

They are not legally allowed to work in Lebanon, they are virtual prisoners in their camps, and there are absolutely no Palestinians in Hizbollah.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 02:08 AM by Tayesin
Originally posted by chiron613
No, no one tries to stop ships from supplying Israel. That's mostly because Israel has no policy of exterminating anyone, despite what some people claim. Israel does not target civilians or children. Sometimes innocent civilians are killed during battles, but they are never the targets.


You need to read the quotes of every President and Prime Minister in Israel's short history. It is plain as the words they used from David Ben Gurion onwards. The gyst of it is simply that they intend to exterminate the Palestinians. Sorry I have no links to help you find this.

Originally posted by chiron613
Hezbollah and other terrorist groups, on the other hand, *target* civilians. They send in suicide murderers to kill the unarmed women and children in marketplaces and other public areas, or blindly fire missiles into villages. If Israeli soldiers get killed, it's pure accident.


From what I've seen Israel also kills many civilians, far more than they kill soldiers or freedom fighters. Recent figures supplied by aid agencies were given for the Febuary actions in which over one thousand Palestinians were slaughtered and only a few were combatants, compared to the very low numbers of Israeli's killed that included 10 soldiers. Hence the Goldstone Report.

Sorry no links again.

Perhaps it is best not to side with either the Israelis or Palestinians. It would be better to be Pro-humanity and therefore be able to see both sides of the equation.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 02:18 AM by ANNED
Admiralty law (usually referred to as simply admiralty and also referred to as maritime law or Law of the Sea) is a distinct body of law which governs maritime questions and offenses. Under conventions of international law, the flag flown by a ship generally determines the source of law to be applied in admiralty cases, regardless of which court has personal jurisdiction over the parties. This has led some ships to fly flags of convenience.

www.cruiseshiplaw.org...

This means that the country who's flag the ship flies has prime jurisdiction over that ship.

If Israel calls the legal Representative of that country for permission to search that ship and get permission to search they are within maritime law even in international waters
Since this ship was flying the flag of Antigua only Antigua can claim that Israel did anything wrong.
And until Antigua speaks up Israel did nothing wrong in stopping this ship.

So all you Israel haters have no leg to stand on concerning Israel stopping this ship.



reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 07:08 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Ridhya





Also Proto, gotta say, while I agree with a lot of what you say you lost a lot of credibility not knowing bill of lading when claiming you have done thousands..?


Yeah but you see I retracted that statement after I actually looked at the evidence in this case and found out I was wrong!


We might need to add 1 more to the thousands of Bills of Laden I have done! Oops Lading! I know that mistake is huge compared to the tiny one of people imagining Hezbollah is Palestinian!

Yep some things are truly unforgivable and some aren't.

Wow I think Israel really has a case here! Pretty clear to anyone looking at the Bill of Laden...oops I mean Bill of Lading that these weapons came from Mr. A!



Disclaimer: This Bill of Laden...oops Bill of Lading is as genuine as the one Israel claims to have found yesterday (not at all genuine)



[edit on 5/11/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:51 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by centurion1211



Well my friend it's just like a few baffled Lebanese confided in me on how any intelligent person who claims to know the region and the history could imagine Shia Hezbollah and Sunni Palestinians are aligned..."People who say those rediculous things get paid to say them" they all said.

Hmmmm? I wonder.



I showed you guys how easy it is to admit a simple mistake.

You showed me just what kind of charachter is involved with people heavily prejudiced and bigotted towards Arabs and Muslims.

I appreciate that thanks!

So the question you really have to ask, is did I make a simple mistake on purpose to test and see? Or did I really make a simple mistake?

Hey looks like a Bill of Lading up there to me!

Full of my purposefully mispelled words!

Can we say forum gang, I bet you can!

[edit on 5/11/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 09:06 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by centurion1211



Sorry friend I don't suffer the paranoia of a nation that stole the land they live on and have broken every treaty they have ever signed and then have the sheer audacity to sit around crying how their neighbors don't trust them.

I don't trust Israel either! I don't trust people who don't even know the actual factions in the area either and just create broad sweeping lies for propaganda purposes that they don't even have the integrity to accept the truth when confronted with it.





reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 09:12 AM by centurion1211
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to
post by centurion1211



I don't trust people who don't even know the actual factions in the area either and just create broad sweeping lies for propaganda purposes that they don't even have the integrity to accept the truth when confronted with it.





Then, why keep doing it? If you are just setting yourself up to publicly admit another mistake, well that's old news now - we've seen it all before.

What I'm asking you and the other apologists to do is step back and consider that just maybe there could be something else going on here.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 09:17 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by centurion1211



I know exactly what's going on here friend, I actually know which faction is which.

I actually know the History. I watched a group of people on this thread yesterday with dubious reason and intent literally attempt to change real history right before my very eyes to promote blanket bigottry and prejudice.

Unlike some people I have a soul and a heart and a concious and the good sense to know better because I care.

Israel operates a huge internet propaganda network and it's a known and established fact.

It's denigrating to people of intelligence and concious, and I denounce the practice for the decietful and dangerous thing that it is!






reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 11:06 AM by centurion1211
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to
post by centurion1211



I know exactly what's going on here friend, I actually know which faction is which.


So, their indoctrination methods work quite well ...

I actually know the History. I watched a group of people on this thread yesterday with dubious reason and intent literally attempt to change real history right before my very eyes to promote blanket bigottry and prejudice.


It seems you only know a history that you have been spoon fed.

Unlike some people I have a soul and a heart and a concious and the good sense to know better because I care.


Then why not use all those things to step back and consider both sides, rather that continuing on with this sort of blind tunnel vision.

Israel operates a huge internet propaganda network and it's a known and established fact.


A perfect example of the one-sided blindness I just wrote about. You would have us all believe that Israel alone operates "a huge internet propaganda network", when any thinking person realizes that the so-called palestinians, hizbollah, hamas and all the muslim countries facing Israel also operate huge internet propaganda networks.

It's denigrating to people of intelligence and concious, and I denounce the practice for the decietful and dangerous thing that it is!


I agree that what you've been saying here is denigrating to people of intelligence and conscious, and I join with you to denounce the practice for the deceitful and dangerous thing that it is.



[edit on 11/5/2009 by centurion1211]


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 11:26 AM by Harlequin
reply to post by merkava



the missiles paraded around are spanish M344A1 anti tank missiles for us in the USA M40 A2 anti tank RCL
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