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reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 04:16 PM by Lolage
reply to post by IAF101


Should infertile people be allowed to marry then?
By your logic, marrying is only for procreation, not sharing your everything with the one you love, hopefully for life. Should it matter whether or not the couple is the same or opposite genders?
Plenty of children who need adopting and if a homosexual couple can be good parents, why shouldn't they?


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 04:37 PM by HotSauce
reply to post by TERAKO68


Well I know you are ignoring me, but...
It is a fact and not just a diatribe on my part that scientists have indeed found a means to cure homosexuality.

The gay cure

Ths isn't just BS. This is peer reviewed and accepted scientific work. This is not my opinion. I am just working to spread the truth.



reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 04:38 PM by TERAKO68
reply to post by HotSauce


I hear you knockin.... but you can't come in.

second line


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 04:41 PM by HotSauce
reply to post by TERAKO68


Well I respect your right to believe as you wish. I was just trying to share the current scientific research on the subject, but if you prefer to ignoreit then that is your choice. Have a great day.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 05:00 PM by Jezus
Originally posted by Jezus
Obviously the inequality is not at the same level, but inequality is inequality.

Sexuality is just another variable, just like skin color. Hating people for their natural condition is wrong.

The delusional idea that people choose who they are sexually attracted to is ignorance.

Also, I'm not gay...homophobes on the other hand...well that is a different story...

Top Five Republican Gay Sex Scandals
www.badmouth.net...

If you are full of hate for homosexuals, the evidence suggests you have a psychological problem, based on denying part of yourself.
www.huffingtonpost.com...

Prof. Adams says his research shows that most homophobes "demonstrate significant sexual arousal to homosexual erotic stimuli", suggesting that homophobia is a form of "latent homosexuality where persons are either unaware of or deny their homosexual urges".
www.ipce.info...

In this clip, from the HBO documentary Middle Sexes: Redefining He and She, narrator Gore Vidal discusses a 1996 study on homophobia, which revealed that homophobic males were aroused by gay porn, while non-homophobes were not.
findingthefilth.blogspot.com...

Latham, who has spoken out against homosexuality, asked the officer to join him in his hotel room for oral sex
www.surfingtheapocalypse.net...

For those who have not yet heard of Outrage, it's a documentary by Kirby Dick about closeted Republican hypocrites and the way their hypocrisy damages lives — not only their personal lives but the millions of gays and lesbians their homophobic policymaking affects.
www.towleroad.com...

Homophobes Love Gay Porn
www.feastoffun.com...


Originally posted by HotSauce
When will the never ending attempts to convince those aganst the gay agenda that they too are gay end? That is just lame.

Is there anything homosexuals won't believe as long as it makes them out to be accepted, equal, and feel normal?

Truth is most men could get aroused watching two cows screw in a field, but it doesn't mean we want to screw a cow.


Well the evidence speaks for itself...

Homosexuality is normal...

Homophobia is the psychological disorder...


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 05:06 PM by HotSauce
reply to post by Jezus


How is something that only affects less than 10% of the population normal? Do you know what normal in the statistical sense means?

Plus I am not homophobic. I think gays should be able to have civil unions, share benefits etc, and I am working to tell as many people as possible about the possible cure that will soon be available.

What have I said that is anti gay?

[edit on 5-11-2009 by HotSauce]


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 05:55 PM by Edrick








reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 06:17 PM by Edrick
reply to post by total_slacker


Well, at least you took the time to think.

...and must say that indeed the removal of any special legal status for marriage is the most effective and complete way to ensure that all people have "equal rights" in regards to marriage.


That is the entire point.

The POINT of government is clearly written in the constitution... and if we start granting the Federal government more and more powers... then... well, lets see...

The size of government will bloat.
The overall cost of maintaining government will increase.
The hubris of our elected officials will rise.
The economy will be siphoned of all of its resources by the increased size of the governemnt...

etc
etc
etc

This is one of the main problems that I have with this "Gay Marradge Debate"

People keep thinking that this all just happens in a vacuum.

IT doesn't, It has VERY CLEAR logistic, economic, political, and Authoritarian consequences and effects tied to it.

You dont give people more freedom by expanding the powers of government to give out more benefits... that is how tyranny begins, and freedom ends.

And if you are battling FOR Equality, then MORE government power is what you should be battling AGAINST.

That is somewhat of a radical step though, don't you think?


If it's not easy, it must be bad, huh?


Humanity follows the path of least resistance..... failing to see that correct action often comes at the price of hardship or discomfort.

sometimes doing what is right, is doing what is hard.

The legal ramifications of throwing out and reshaping all the inheritance, divorce, and tax laws alone would be enough to keep the various and sundry legislative bodies of the country busy for the next couple of centuries.


With dedicated effort, that kind of thing could be changed in a month.

Our government is inefficient because their "Path" is NOT in our best interest.

IT looks like bloated inefficiency to us, but to them, it is all about consolidating power.

Your argument that marriage imports a special status on those lucky enough to be eligible for it is correct. Since this is true - is it so terrible then to expand the pool of citizens who are entitled to participate in this institution, with all the benefits and privileges it provides?


Do you really want your government handing out freebies?

Someone still has to pay for all of that.

Why should *I* pay, if I (Or a vast portion of the country) "By Definition" are not qualified to partake of these benefits?

is this not tyranny of the majority over the minority?

You keep saying that this or that social benefit (e.g. adoption) isn't a "right".


It's not... children are not commodities.

You do not have a right to adopt them.

You are not entitled to possession of them, unless you are their parents, or kin.

Any other form of stuardship over a child springs from societal agreement that you are the best person for the job.

You can't just "DEMAND" to have some random kid.

Equal protection under the law IS a right though and this is the situation that gay marriage proponents are trying to ensure.


Straight couples do not have the Right to adoptions either.

They must go through consideration... it's not just something that you demand.

Claiming that some form of civil union is just as good as marriage is automatically claiming that it isn't marriage, and is therefore inherently unequal.


Here is the thing that you are failing to recognize...

Marridge is not a right, as a legal institution.

The government CANNOT prevent you from loving, living with, being faithful to, etc, someone else...

The government does not have to "Sanction" it.

And why you would WANT that sanction, I have no idea.


YES, some parts of government have been designed to aid those who are "Legally Recognized" as "Married Couples" with benefits and whatnot....

But that is completely unconstitutional, and antithesis to the very nature of a JUST and FREE society, and Equitable Government.

THAT is what bugs me.... Homosexuals are NOT fighting for Equal rights.

They are FIGHTING for BENEFITS that are still denied to most Americans.

They don't really want equality, they want privilege.

What part of your world comes crashing down if some justice of the peace somewhere pronounces someone "man and husband"?


Presuming that I am Homophobic, or "Anti-Gay" is not helping your argument.

Try harder next time.

-Edrick


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:00 PM by Janky Red
Originally posted by northof8
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by northof8


When the freaks parade in g-strings or worse and simulate sex in their sick parades or have open oral sex they do force us to watch that crap. They do tread on my family. It's all over the news when the freaks put on these displays. That is what we see when we pull the lever...

Your self-righteousness indignation does nothing for your average voter. The gays lost for their immaturity and moral decay and rightfully so. There is no room in Maine for bug chasing hypocrites that want to redefine what marriage is. They procreate deadly viruses, not the species. Chalk one up for the good guys...


So you go to gay pride parades?

I would think as a parent you could change the channel on your TV and take your family elsewhere when the gay parades you attend turn into orgies.

I think you are being self righteous from the tone of your post... Frankly the tone is reminiscent of a 1960's era anti civil rights propaganda, new line in the sand, same song and dance. Or Anti Irish sentiment, which formed citizens brigades to address the
cleanliness, disease and criminal minded nature of the immoral beasts...

Your personal opinions aside, the irony is you and your views WILL dwindle and come to represent the barbarism of the "good old days". Just a box of bones with gayness buried in the same ground and gay weddings be officiated in the land of the living.
I recall reading of a time when inquisitors and witch burners were the good guys too


[edit on 5-11-2009 by Janky Red]


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:23 PM by northof8
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by northof8
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by northof8


When the freaks parade in g-strings or worse and simulate sex in their sick parades or have open oral sex they do force us to watch that crap. They do tread on my family. It's all over the news when the freaks put on these displays. That is what we see when we pull the lever...

Your self-righteousness indignation does nothing for your average voter. The gays lost for their immaturity and moral decay and rightfully so. There is no room in Maine for bug chasing hypocrites that want to redefine what marriage is. They procreate deadly viruses, not the species. Chalk one up for the good guys...


So you go to gay pride parades?

I would think as a parent you could change the channel on your TV and take your family elsewhere when the gay parades you attend turn into orgies.

I think you are being self righteous from the tone of your post... Frankly the tone is reminiscent of a 1960's era anti civil rights propaganda, new line in the sand, same song and dance. Or Anti Irish sentiment, which formed citizens brigades to address the
cleanliness, disease and criminal minded nature of the immoral beasts...

Your personal opinions aside, the irony is you and your views WILL dwindle and come to represent the barbarism of the "good old days". Just a box of bones with gayness buried in the same ground and gay weddings be officiated in the land of the living.
I recall reading of a time when inquisitors and witch burners were the good guys too


[edit on 5-11-2009 by Janky Red]


So my opinion will become barbarism of the "good old days" but the bug chasing GRID infected gay community will prevail with all the rights of a married normal couple and become mainstream? I really have to scoff at that one...

Its funny... Gays say their day will come but they keep getting defeated at every election. Do you really think your straight friend is telling you the truth when they go to vote? They are shaking their head as the pull that lever. They don't want GRID mainstream anymore than Obama does. All you get is lip service.

Maine voters told you what your friends are telling you when they vote... They are telling you what the majority of America keeps trying to tell you and you still don't get it.

The moral ineptitude of the "gay community" is only out done by their idea of what marriage really is. Just like everything else they want to pervert the meaning, twist the truth and change what marriage is to fit their sick fantasy world. Gays are as dangerous as the diseases they spread. GRID is GRID. A is A... Facts are facts....


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:48 PM by The Transhumanist
reply to post by Edrick




The POINT of government is clearly written in the constitution... and if we start granting the Federal government more and more powers... then... well, lets see... The size of government will bloat. The overall cost of maintaining government will increase. The hubris of our elected officials will rise. The economy will be siphoned of all of its resources by the increased size of the governemnt...


You're thinly veiled prejudicial excuse for an argument is that granting gays the right to marriage leads to federal tyranny?

In no way shape or form do i think thse videos represents all Canadians.





For the sake of my point, I think it's clear from these videos that same sex marriage has had no real effect on the lives of straight couples or individuals in Canada. Why do you expect it will be any different here?

You will still have the same right to your bigotry and to indoctrinate your children with the belief that homosexuality and same sex marriage is wrong as you have always had. This will not effect any of your freedoms or your personal moral and ethical choices. Your children will still have a right to think critically for themselves and make the personal choice as to whether homosexuality and gay marriage is wrong.

That is what we really need to focus on here. You will always have your choice. You would no longer be able to make that choice for other people and that is the way it should be. I have many gay friends and hanging out with them has neither morally corrupted me or made me gay. I am proud to be a straight individual. I am also proud that my friends freely represent the human beings they were born to be.

I personally don't think it is right for Christians to pursue their anti gay agenda but I wouldn't in my dreams attempt to force them to keep it to their selves. It's their right to be prejudiced.

So tell me specifically just how would a gay couple down the street from you that decided to marry effect your life in any way? Tell your kids it's wrong. Tell the couple you think it's wrong. But don't think for a second that you can control their lives.

[edit on 5-11-2009 by The Transhumanist]

[edit on 5-11-2009 by The Transhumanist]


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 08:54 PM by Janky Red
Originally posted by northof8
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by northof8
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by northof8


When the freaks parade in g-strings or worse and simulate sex in their sick parades or have open oral sex they do force us to watch that crap. They do tread on my family. It's all over the news when the freaks put on these displays. That is what we see when we pull the lever...

Your self-righteousness indignation does nothing for your average voter. The gays lost for their immaturity and moral decay and rightfully so. There is no room in Maine for bug chasing hypocrites that want to redefine what marriage is. They procreate deadly viruses, not the species. Chalk one up for the good guys...


So you go to gay pride parades?

I would think as a parent you could change the channel on your TV and take your family elsewhere when the gay parades you attend turn into orgies.

I think you are being self righteous from the tone of your post... Frankly the tone is reminiscent of a 1960's era anti civil rights propaganda, new line in the sand, same song and dance. Or Anti Irish sentiment, which formed citizens brigades to address the
cleanliness, disease and criminal minded nature of the immoral beasts...

Your personal opinions aside, the irony is you and your views WILL dwindle and come to represent the barbarism of the "good old days". Just a box of bones with gayness buried in the same ground and gay weddings be officiated in the land of the living.
I recall reading of a time when inquisitors and witch burners were the good guys too


[edit on 5-11-2009 by Janky Red]


So my opinion will become barbarism of the "good old days" but the bug chasing GRID infected gay community will prevail with all the rights of a married normal couple and become mainstream? I really have to scoff at that one...

Its funny... Gays say their day will come but they keep getting defeated at every election. Do you really think your straight friend is telling you the truth when they go to vote? They are shaking their head as the pull that lever. They don't want GRID mainstream anymore than Obama does. All you get is lip service.

Maine voters told you what your friends are telling you when they vote... They are telling you what the majority of America keeps trying to tell you and you still don't get it.

The moral ineptitude of the "gay community" is only out done by their idea of what marriage really is. Just like everything else they want to pervert the meaning, twist the truth and change what marriage is to fit their sick fantasy world. Gays are as dangerous as the diseases they spread. GRID is GRID. A is A... Facts are facts....


Scoff all you want these youngsters are more open minded then me, you are thinking in terms of your lifetime which is not even a blip on the radar. During the revolutionary
war abolishing slavery was a fantasy, during the civil war woman's voting rights were the same, during the WWI desegregation was a utopian idea... Think of all the old bones
being laughed at as they decay in a world that has rejected their ancient bigotry.

In the long run it is futile to push back on this - really the mind set is no different then those who saw the merits in stoning heretics or burning witches. At one point both were the mainstream, fighting the "moral ineptitude" of ( )...

As far as gay, sick fantasy world... I don't think its fantasy, they are doing their thing as we speak, countless and plentiful. You are fooling yourself - best thing you can do is worry about your kids, family and enjoy YOUR life - you might as well try to drain the ocean of water - you will be the last generation in the front of this fight - pointless.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 09:21 PM by Edrick
reply to post by The Transhumanist


You're thinly veiled prejudicial excuse for an argument is that granting gays the right to marriage leads to federal tyranny?


Your thinly veiled attempt to label me a Hater of Homosexuals is childish and trite...

Every few words in your tirade, you accuse me of this, without ever ONCE arguing against anything that I specifically said.

I.E. Quote me.


Your argument holds no water, as you are not actually arguing against anything that I said.

Let me spell it out for you ONCE AGAIN:

"Marriage should not be a legal institution."

-Edrick


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 09:27 PM by The Transhumanist
reply to post by Edrick


I did quote you and my entire post was an argument to your notion that legalizing gay marriage will lead to federal tyranny and that gay marriage should not be a legal institution.

You didn't respond to anything in my post besides my justified accusations of prejudice. Try responding to the rest of my post.
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