Hoffman concedes, Bill owens wins, page 2
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reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 07:46 AM by Seiko
reply to post by vor78



I stand by my choice of words, it was not a "clean" sweep.

That being said, yes the republicans did quite well, and this should give pause. The fact that the republicans weren't backing the republican candidate should be noted here. I was more surprised that owens won this seat to be truthful.

The most interesting take on it is how well the third party candidate did. I hope this inspires more third party candidates. Perhaps fiscal and moral conservatives can split, and define themselves more clearly.


reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 08:10 AM by vor78
reply to post by Seiko



I'm not really sure what to make of NY-23, given how the NY state GOP screwed it up from start to finish by selecting a candidate who ultimately went turncoat. I don't put much stock into the whole third party thing in this case, though. This was basically an odd instance of the GOP primary more or less playing itself out at the same time as the general election. Hoffman had earlier lobbied the state GOP leadership to be the nominee, but they picked Scozzafava instead.

Congratulations to Owens, but lets see if he can hang onto that seat next year.


reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 09:07 AM by centurion1211
Originally posted by Seiko
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post by HotSauce



Yes I'm certain that all those dead people held up the lines.

No seriously what does acorn have to do with this?


Seriously, acorn has been involved in nationwide voter registration fraud. Where have you been?

And you have to understand that the dem only won because the RINO candidate dropped out and then threw her support behind her true party. She was. however, still on the ballot and siphoned off enough votes to hand the victory to the dem.

I think you'll see that events like this and acorn signing up dead people, felons and illegals will be just about the only way dems win in generally conservative areas such as this one in 2010.

Care to discuss the HUGE dem losses in VA and NJ? You know the ones obama personally campaigned for?




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reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 10:09 AM by Seiko
reply to post by centurion1211



Yes I believe the polls showed a majority of people said Obama had no influence on their voting in their respective states. As stated above, Obama wasn't on the ballot.

Again...acorn...seriously?

Try to understand that voter registration fraud, is not the same as voter fraud. Acorn was required by law to turn in every registration it received, regardless of the obviously ludicrous dealings of private contractors. The law was broken by those who forged the forms, and they should be prosecuted.

You can register a million dead people to vote, but so far none of the dead have actually risen from their graves to cast ballots. Mickey mouse isn't casting. John doe from smalltown can't vote 40 times now matter how many times he is registered. He can only vote once.


reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 10:38 AM by Seiko
reply to post by vor78





Their major concerns were jobs, the economy, worries that government was overstepping its bounds, and concerns about cap-and-trade and healthcare reform.


This poll does not answer where they stand on the issues though. What if they think obama is just not effective enough?

Cap and trade is going to kill the democratic party, and if the baucus bill passes without a public option they may never recover.

The point I made, and you have also made and why I picked this particular race to start with; the parties are losing confidence. I see this race as a fine example of what happens when people think the party represents themselves and not the people. They see this on the democratic side now as they have the majorities in the three federal branches.

This give and take goes back and forth a lot in midterms, we'll see more republican wins in 2010, I'm certain of it. The level depends on how well the dems handle those key issues you've listed. So far they're not doing so well.

What I like about this race is the showing of the conservative candidate, and just how much of the vote he actually received.


reply posted on 13-11-2009 @ 12:27 AM by Seiko
reply to post by endisnighe



Please seriously, and I ask this friendly. Would you go start a thread specifically on acorn, and we'll debate it then. It's become obvious there's things you need to get off your chest here.

And yes Hoffman had quite a turn out. Perhaps we're witnessing the rebirth of a true conservative party.


reply posted on 16-11-2009 @ 11:09 PM by Seiko
Hoffman unconcedes on beck

I wanted to offer this update. Heard the recap on beck and searched, the huffington post was the only link I could find.

He says now he would like to unconcede given the numbers.


reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 06:38 PM by Seiko
Now an update : Calling election stolen, Hoffman rescinds concession in New York

claims unions, acorn stole it



But by Thursday night, Hoffman's hopes appeared dashed. "It's over. Rep. Bill Owens, D-Plattsburgh, leads by 3,105 votes with 3,072 absentee ballots left to be counted," the Watertown Daily Times reported.


At the bottom of the article is a letter to his supporters.

edit: fixed link

[edit on 19-11-2009 by Seiko]

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