The Three Jahovah's of the Bible

This is my third post. The other two were big flops. Hopefully this will do a little better.

This thread is in response to some of the posts people have made regarding Jahovah, Or if you prefer Yahweh, Lord, God the Father or just plain God.

His name appears many times in the Bible. Here are two examples and what is said about him.
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In Isaiah 44:6 it says that Jehovah is the first and the last.
In Deuteronomy 6:4 it says that the lord our God is one Lord.

This confirms that he is a deity.

However there's another that has the same characteristics that only Jahovah,Yahweh,Lord, or God has.His name is Jesus. His name also appears many times. here are two examples of what is said about him.

In John 20:28 The apostle Thomas called Jesus his Lord and his God.
In Rev 22:12-13 it says that jesus is the first and last.

This confirms that Jesus is a deity

The third Jahovah, or God would be the Holy Spirit.
Some think of the holy spirit to be a force like that in Star Wars but as you can see this is not so.

Acts 5:3-4 Peter said to Ananias, Why has Satin filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit?
You have not lied to men but to God.

Peter would not have lied. He believed in one true God.

This confirms that the Holy Spirit is a deity.

As you can see, Three separate Deities all claiming to be God.

Some would say since there can be only one true God ,All of these Gods would have to be the same. I agree. What do you think?

"confirms he is A deity"? Would not God be "THE" deity?

Jehovah is a translation. It's not in the Hebrew.

We have one God who has revealed Himself to us in 3 Persons. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. The use of the word "Persons" does not mean individual persons like a brother, a sister and a mother but rather goes to speak about the WHO of God.

To use an analogy, I am not only a husband but a father and also a son and to each, my wife, my child and my mother I reveal myself to them differently yet I am the same one person. Now every analogy fails when pressed too far but it gives an idea of what the Trinity is.

It's not 3 separate gods but rather 1 God who reveals Himself in 3.

reply to post by oliveoil

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This is a rediculous thread. It's as if you're mocking me and my "two Jehovahs" thread. Get real.

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Calm down. I am not mocking you.There are three Jahovahs. Count them. In your thread I was simply trying to prove this.

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Someone who gets it !!

It really concerns me how so many so called Christians on this site are not aware of this.

They either believe that Jesus is inferior to God or that Jesus is God but not the same God as in the OT.

Some even believe that Jesus is the Arch angle ( how odd is that ? )

They believe in a monotheistic religion but they cant make up their mind as to what God is the true God and what his true name is.

Do these people comprehend what they read or do they just follow what they were taught to believe.?

I understand that everyone has freedom when it comes to religious beliefs, but when people contort the bible to fit there view, It actually makes me sick.

Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus, the Holy Spirt and God are separate?

The Bible I read declares Jesus says this instead:

"I and the Father are one." - John 10:30

Singular.

"Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the desert..." - Luke 4:1

Together.

"And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us." - Romans 5:5

From God.

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The bible also says that husband and wife should be "one" as well, in singular form yet we both know that we don't become a single physical body. We are one in the fact that we have a common goal that we work together to achieve. That's the same with the Father and Son. How can the Father and Son be the same exact person? How can Jesus pray to Himself? How can a dead Jesus resurrect Himself from the grave?

Isn't contorting to the bible to fit your view what you're doing? I wasn't raised believing what I do. I was raised a baptist and converted to the "Judeo-Christian Churches of God" which were re-emerged in the 30's by Herbert W. Armstrong. It was 2 years ago I learned of the things I now believe in and it was 1 year ago that I went into full practice of these beliefs, so NO, I was not raised believing what I do. However, I do sense that from you as you're touting the typical protestant agenda on here. The big difference I see from you is that you honor the Sabbath... and props to you for that. Are you 7th Day Baptist or something?

Also, the thing about "monotheism" is a man-made word with a man-made belief. It's true that jews were monotheists because Jehovah was the only God they worshipped. In the New Testament, we learn that Jesus was this "Jehovah" of the OT who came to reveal a new diety known throughout the NT as the "Father". The Jews didn't know the Father... only Jehovah. The Holy Spirit, which is not a separate God, but is the Spirit OF God is what links the Father and Son. It is also what links humans to the Father and Son. So, if what you're saying is right, then there's more than a trinity since humans can recieve the Holy Spirit. There is more than a quadrility or sentilogy because if we have the Holy Spirit, we are part of God too, right? I explained on other threads how the FAMILY of God is more of an acceptable explanation than a three part God.

the holyspirit is female
god is male
and the "son" is the outcome of "eating" from the tree of "knowlege"

cant be that hard to figure out. if it is you should probobly stop reading the bible....

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The only view I have is what the Bible actually says.

In Isaiah 44:6 it says that Jehovah is the first and the last.There can only be one God, wouldn't that make him he?.

In Deuteronomy 6:4 it says that the lord our God is one Lord.( speaking of Jehovah)

Then In John 20:28 The apostle Thomas called Jesus his Lord and his God.
If Jesus is God, than who is Jahovah ?

In Rev 22:12-13 it says that Jesus is the first and last. I thought Jahovah was the first and last. How many firsts and lasts are there?

Acts 5:3-4 Peter said to Ananias, Why has Satin filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit?
You have not lied to men but to God.Since Jesus is God and Jehovah is God , Who is the holy spirit Jesus or Jehovah?



No I am not. I do not follow any religious organization




You either believe in one God, Like the Bible teaches (mono) or you believe in many Gods which the Bible condemns.(poly) You can't have it both ways. The Bible is very clear on this.




The Holy Ghost speaks (Acts13:2), He can be grieved (Eph 4:30), and he can be lied to(Acts 5:3-4). He is not portrayed in the bible as a impersonal force. He is called God therefore he is God.



Since there cant be three gods, this three part God is one God acting in three persons.
Sorry but your theory does not support what the Bible is actually saying.

GREAT point! I think you his the nail on the head here. Let's mull this one over for a time. We can take our 'not so perfect' human unity and apply that to perfect unity and bingo, we've achieved our answer.

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Where is this written?



Where is this written?



Where is...well, you get the point.



If this were true, there'd be no need/use for Mary. Besides, if the Holy Spirit were female, it would not be possible for her to conceive by the Holy Spirit.

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Hi Saint. That's beautiful !!! S&F for you. Nice !!!


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My thoughts exactly, and I counted a few more Gods in the Bible too, such as Sin, a Babylonian Moon God whom Jehovah surely hated. Look here:How many gods are there?
And, the Jesus Christ of the gospels is a patently artificial construct. This Prince of Peace also preaches discord and strife:

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." – Matthew 10.34.

A famous saying of the Teacher is this one: "Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you will have no life in yourselves."
Shall we cannibalize our God? Seems like this is what Christians do, isn't it?
It always amuses me when I see that religions go directly against their own teachings, and not one is completely innocent here. The Christians not only eat their saviour in a cannibalistic ritual, they also raise a false Idol to their Godman, and shun everyone not of them, or their beliefs as "sinners." hen they go about and attempt to "save" everyone, and bring everyone to their version of Heaven, and keep everyone from the clutches of their Satan, Devil, another made up God.

The Genesis story is most certainly taken from the Sumerian texts, and tells of the Annunaki Gods, of the house of El. Whether one wishes to believe it or not, these are the Gods that led Moses and Abraham in their travels, and these are the ones who controlled Earth in those days, and some believe they still do....
SUMERIAN GODS

Related:

The Gods Of The Bible

From The Alpha and the Omega

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Originally posted by Locoman8
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Sure there's many gods that people can worship.But there is only one true God according to the Bible



Jesus Christ preaches discord and strife to those who are against him.If you happened to look at the verse right before this one, you would have noticed that.(Matthew 10:33)




If you happen to read the Bible instead of putting your own little twist on it you would know that this was purely symbolic. It was most likely wine. He did this in remembrance of him. How ironic is it that we are all here today talking about it?


Sure all religions organizations and their beliefs differ. No one is perfect.

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This is just funny. Obviously you know nothing about Christian values and beliefs.



You are absolutely correct ! I'm not speaking for everyone but I just want this world to be a better place for me and my family. Not filled with murder, violence,corruption,hate, greed, lust,ect. as the Bible condemns.And if everyone jumps on the bandwagon maybe this could happen. Whats wrong with that?