Originally posted by Rockstrongo37
Interesting isnt this? You know the Bible talks about the rise of the "old Roman Empire" as part of the signs of the end times. I don't know but maybe this is what we're all seeing here...just a thought.

Could someone point this out to me?????

Thanks...

The Mediterranean Union is a Union within the European Union, no plans for it to be integrated into the main body - Germany and France do not want Turkey (who are a Mediterranean Union member) within the European Union.

It's a peculiar set up, dominion is a better word to describe the Mediterranean relationship to the European Union.

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You still cannot compare U.S. to EU

USD is quickly losing it's fiat(fake) value in the form of world confidence

the american currency will not last long

it's like saying the Roman Empire was very strong during it's demise
it wasn't, that's why it fell apart

The biggest problem with the EU is that is not a democracy. I'm from England and I have never had any kind of a say as to who is in power at the top of the EU structure (then again, we didn't vote in Gordon Brown or the Lisbon treaty either, so I suppose we should be used to that by now).

How can any government be classed as a democracy when the people have no say in it's governance?

We were promised a refurrendum on the treaty, but then Gordon Clown just turns round and says "Oh you don't need that now, we know what's best for you" and signs up against the wishes of the majority of Brits. The Irish voted against the treaty, so the EU just made them vote again, until they got the "yes" vote.

This is not democracy, it is dictatorship!

Originally posted by USamf
Do remember you are comparing the EU to a single country.

Im not pro EU superstate but the Lisbon treaty does actually create a "Country" out of the EU (in a bureaucratic sense) with sovereignty of member states slowly being lost and a myriad of other additions that I have written about previously and do not have time to go through at the moment.

These points are what people across the water keep forgetting and the reason why there was such a fuss kicked up about the treaty. Previous to the US becoming a country, it was many. Remember that. The plan for the EU is not to create anything as tight as the US but it doesn't need to be.

Also, Eastern Europe joining in 2004 added over 150 million people and downed the overall GDP a massive amount because their income averages at around €17,000. These economies are roaring, especially Poland. Expect the EU GDP to grow a massive amount while these economies rise to a western standard.

The EU will not be a decent military power for another 50 years anyway.. there is a large defense force in the pipeline but essentially the US will be the strategic controller and director of the western powers until the US actually allows the EU military to evolve. The EU will be a hobbled giant in a military sense but then again, we are not exactly looking for more war after the past 2000 years.

The European Union is similar to the Soviet Union and, in time, will evolve into a similar system located in the United States. It (currently) cannot be democratic, due to nationalism within member states, and the Monarchy system throughout parts of Europe.

Britain will be in the Euro within 10 years - regardless of which party is holding the reigns of power. Especially due to the Chinese wanting Britain and her investments within the Eurozone.

Originally posted by nik1halo
How can any government be classed as a democracy when the people have no say in it's governance?

Because we are not a republic.

Britain is a constitutional Monarchy, Her Majesty's Government - not our (the people) government.

Next time Khadafi is camping again in his Bedouin tent in on of our city parks i hope the local hobo's and hooligans loot his place and put it on fire, what drama this man is...We wont even allow secular Turkey into the union let alone 12 other ME states

Looking at the reactions here i highly doubt anyone here has ever red a single page from the Lisbon treaty and about the enhanced powers of the European parliament[more to say in matters of agriculture, trade, justice, migration, structurefunds, police matters as in codecision] and even national parliaments will have increased powers over the commission and can overrule the commission with yellow "cards"..., you can vote directly for your representative and their powers will increase with this treaty, whats wrong with that?please explain..

As for the EU as a world power
, this is how far it is with military projection..

Military forces and groups
European Union Battlegroups (closest thing to an EU military, composed of 15 battlegroups, each one numbering 1,500 troops. Under direct control of European Council.)

European Union Force - the title used for EU peacekeeping deployments, which have included Bosnia/Hercegovina, Chad/CAR, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Eurocorps (independent military force composed of 60,000 troops that can be deployed for various missions)
Eurofor (rapid reaction force under command of the Western European Union)

European Gendarmerie Force (crisis intervention force composed of 900 personnel, with 2,300 additional personnel that can be deployed as reinforcements)

Helsinki Headline Goal (listing of rapid reaction forces composed of 60,000 troops managed by the European Union, but under control of the countries who deliver troops for it)

European Union Military Staff (supervises military operations carried out by the EU; its chief is General Henri Bentegeat, a former chief of the French Defence Staff)



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