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America as we have known it will be no more.

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posted on Nov, 4 2009 @ 02:46 PM
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Not to be rude or insulting but your ideaology of what the Bible states is a Christian is quite misconstrude. You can not earn your way into heaven.


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posted on Nov, 4 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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Well there is no Hell other than the one we are currently residing in!

What I was describing is how following Christian principals to the letter keeps Rome of your back and it's agents.

How it has allowed the Amish to not have to be under the thumb of most American Laws.

Your the one with the whole heaven's gate thing going on friend.

Santa Clause won't be riding in to the rescue with his Reindeer.

Humans screwed the pooch, humans are going to have to unscrew it!

You have been sucked in to an entire faith based system with circular logic that teaches you any break in faith in that circular logic no matter how defeating puts you at grave risk and no matter how tempting it might be the challenge is to never break in that faith in the circular logic.

Meanwhile the world is crashing down around your ears.

You have faith in a story Rome sold you. A story Rome wrote for you.

I have faith in me!

While you keep looking to the heavens to part and trump you up, I think I will stick with just fighting Rome.

Thanks!



posted on Nov, 4 2009 @ 05:02 PM
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Question: How are you so certian there is no heaven or hell or God or satan? How do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Ceaser wrote the Bible? Do you have any evidence to back your claim? I am interested in knowing how one believes not.



posted on Nov, 4 2009 @ 06:41 PM
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What a dreary and stuffy life they must live there friend. It's probably even worse than Washington D.C.


Very dreary with stuffy sullen people. It is a beautiful area but I was very glad to leave.

The stuff on treaties is very interesting. I know a little about the Universal Commercial Code but my general knowledge of history stinks and I am will be the first to admit it.. Science and math were more my interest in school.

Have you done a thread tracing these treaties or can you point to some online sources?

It is no wonder the US Constitution is so clear about the Constitution trumping a treaty if the treaty is not in the best interest of the American people. Unfortunately our dumbed down education system has done their darnedest to make sure we are unaware of our rights as citizens. Heck all this claptrap about a President declaring a "State of Emergency" that suspends the Constitution are Unconstitutional. except under very specific conditions,( war time emergencies)

I have hopes that the individual states tenth Amendment resolutions and states nullification of unconstitutional laws catches on as people finally start to wake-up. A state even has the right to nullify a treaty, now if we can just get a state to nullify the World Trade Organization treaty and NAFTA - Texas maybe - we have a chance of straightening out this country.

I agree we could use some protectionism but the WTO wants US tax payers to fund business start-ups in other countries!!




Up for grabs at the negotiating table is worldwide privatization and deregulation of public energy and water utilities, postal services, higher education and state alcohol distribution controls; a new right for foreign firms to obtain U.S. Small Business Administration loans; elimination of a list of specific U.S. state laws about land use, professional licensing and consumer protections, and extreme deregulation of private-sector service industries such as insurance, banking, mutual funds and securities. www.commondreams.org...


Not only are they after control of our farmland [see OUR LAND - COLLATERAL FOR THE NATIONAL DEBT] they want control of everything else!

Luckly our farmers figured out that the WTO/USDA/FDA contracts including "premises ID" "National Animal ID" (NAIS) left them, as the contracts states, as "stakeholders" not owners. A stakeholder is a third party physically holding property until the true owner is determined. That is why all the USDA and FDA announcements, etc about NAIS always refers to farmers as "stakeholders" and not owners.

The attack on our food supply/farmland is the one that really has me very worried, especially since it is a big yawn to most people. They seem to think food grows in stores and not on farms. Once our farmers, seed, livestock and farmland is gone [controlled by the corporate/banking cartel] we are well and truly screwed. Unfortunately we are losing first conviction of a farmer for failure to register their premise is hitting the wires and HR 2749 is being rushed through Congress, and the house may look to suspend the rules and fast track the bill at Obama’s request



Dick Peixoto planted hedges of fennel and flowering cilantro around his organic vegetable fields in the Pajaro Valley near Watsonville to harbor beneficial insects, an alternative to pesticides.

He has since ripped out such plants in the name of food safety, because his big customers demand sterile buffers around his crops. No vegetation. No water. No wildlife of any kind.

“I was driving by a field where a squirrel fed off the end of the field, and so 30 feet in we had to destroy the crop,” he said. “On one field where a deer walked through, didn’t eat anything, just walked through and you could see the tracks, we had to take out 30 feet on each side of the tracks and annihilate the crop.” ...

Large produce buyers have compiled secret “super metrics” that go much further. Farmers must follow them if they expect to sell their crops. These can include vast bare-dirt buffers, elimination of wildlife, and strict rules on water sources. To enforce these rules, retail buyers have sent forth armies of food-safety auditors, many of them trained in indoor processing plants, to inspect fields. (Lochhead, C.)

Most of these inspectors have little to no experience other than inside four walls. Take for example Ken Kimes, who owns New Natives Farms in Santa Cruz County. He was told that “no children younger than five can be allowed on his farm for fear of diapers” (Lochhead, C.)

HR 2749: Food Safety’s Scorched Earth Policy



Not only will we be looking at rising unemployment, a dead dollar but if one of these %$# "unsafe Food" bills makes it through congress we can expect food cost to sky rocket as crops are destroyed and farmers bankrupt and it becomes illegal to own a backyard garden. I plan to kill off everything and plant trees, I am sure I am not the only US farmer with similar plans. We hope to at least salvage our land until the American people can come to their senses. Unfortunately Obama will probably just "nationalize" all the farmland to "solve" the problem instead.





posted on Nov, 5 2009 @ 02:24 AM
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That bill is right up there at the top of the list as far as atrocities goes!

It's as horrible as the whole Agenda 21/Sustainability movement taking place. The U.N. has just recently come to America with it's own version of Community Organizing to keep their ball rolling!

www.infowars.com...

www.washingtontimes.com...




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