America as we have known it will be no more. , page 2

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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I will always read my Bible and believe what it says.There are still a lot
of christians around here.We haven't been rounded up and shipped out
to camps yet.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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interesting , do you have sources for this?

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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Indeed all roads do lead to Rome. The Roman Catholic to be more specific and of course their subsitaries; skull and bones, the illuminati and everything evil can be traced back to them. So you did get half the question correct but the ultimate answer I was looking for was the Master of everything evil; Satan.

Originally posted by mamabeth
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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I will always read my Bible and believe what it says.There are still a lot
of christians around here.We haven't been rounded up and shipped out
to camps yet.

Can I get an amen for sister Beth? LOL... Im with ya girl.

reply to post by Melissa101

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sources?

all the evil seems to lead to one source :Judaism (the jewish religion)
read the protocols of zion , also for thousands of years ,jews were kicked out of host nations which they subverted.

Originally posted by Melissa101
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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Indeed all roads do lead to Rome. The Roman Catholic to be more specific and of course their subsitaries; skull and bones, the illuminati and everything evil can be traced back to them. So you did get half the question correct but the ultimate answer I was looking for was the Master of everything evil; Satan.

This is where Rome has fooled you and defeated you as you rail against a mythical figurative enemy instead of a real one.

Satan/God Good/Evil is nothing but the duality of man, the divided hemispheres of your brain that can't quite decide what to do.

Ultimately you leave this up to something called divine providence.

This is where Caesar steps in not Satan.

They have fed you the notion that it's all bigger than you, bigger than humans, that humans don't have the same power to play on this level, and to stay out of the real game as a result.

You will never likely come to understand nor appreciate this until it is too late.

While you pray, and clutch talismans and icons hoping for divine intervention instead of taking up arms against Rome some of us will choose to keep this in the human realm as it is humans who are controlling all this.

Jesus Christ = Julius Caesar
Judas = Brutus
The 12 diciples = Caesar's 12 Lictors.

You have been sold a powerful lie via Rome and how you can imagine what you imagine the truth 1600 years after the basis of your beliefs passed through Roman hands is truthful and accurate is beyond me.

Edit to add: This is by the way the most defeating argument fed to us to neutralize America from standing against Rome. Once again the duality of man, the two headed coin, Rome offers you War or Peace it matters not to Rome which you decide, just that you accept that a choice must be made and to divide yourself in that decision.

Crying isn't going to help and neither is praying, believing in humanity and your own humanity will.



[edit on 4/11/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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That entity is Rome the people that wrote the Bible as a PLAN to take over the world and install a one world government. That's not Biblical in a Holy sense but is simply a diabolically sound plan that takes full advantage of people's instilled superstitions.

I will not go as far as agreeing with you about "That entity is Rome"

“I state these points fearlessly and without reserve, for you have yourself well reminded me that there is a power beyond us that disposes of what we are and do. Rothschild is the Lord and Master of the money markets of the world.” Benjamin Disraeli, British Prime Minister


But I do agree about religion. Religion has always been used by those in power to control people and the bible is no different. Heck we used the KING JAMES version. A scholar originally destined for the church told his mother he could not with good conscience enter the ministry because his translations of more ancient texts differed substantially from the English version!

Think about England - the first son gets the land the second son is a military leader and the third son is for the church....


Here in the USA TPTB lost control of the church so in 1954 Lyndon B Johnson’s amendment changed the IRS code, prohibiting tax-exempt entities and churches from endorsing or opposing political candidates. Although this has largely stopped the influence of churches it has no effect on NGOs. The prominence of NGOs and the foundations of today’s environment movement are traceable to the 1972 Strong's U.N. Conference Maurice Strong's (Father of the Global Warming Hoax) "early work with YMCA international “...may have been the genesis of Strong's realization that NGOs (non-government organizations) provide an excellent way to use NGOs to couple the money from philanthropists and business with the objectives of government.” sovereignty.net...

...given his [Strong's] ability to get things done, the consistency of his support for a world managed by bureaucrats is alarming. As Elaine Dewar wrote in Toronto's Saturday Night magazine: as an advisor to the Rockefeller Foundation and the World Wildlife Fund. Above all, he served on the Commission on Global Governance -- which, as we shall see, plays a crucial part in the international power grab.  The Commission on Global Governance (CGG), was established in 1992, after Rio, at the suggestion of Willy Brandt, former West German chancellor and head of the Socialist International. In 1991, the Club of Rome (of which Strong is, of course, a member) issued a report called The First Global Revolution, which asserted that current problems "are essentially global and cannot be solved through individual country initiatives."

"Very few of even the larger international NGOs are operationally democratic, in the sense that members elect officers or direct policy on particular issues," notes Peter Spiro. "Arguably it is more often money than membership that determines influence, and money more often represents the support of centralized elites, such as major foundations, than of the grass roots." The CGG has benefited substantially from the largesse of the MacArthur, Carnegie, and Ford Foundations. [not to mention the Rockefeller foundations too]. www.afn.org...

While we are being distracted by the Mass Media's coverage of inconsequentials, by Presidential Executive Order the USA was divided into ten regions. These regions are governed by an unholy mix of unelected government bureaucrats and NGOs. The regions were set up by President Nixon but implementing “regional governance concept began in earnest with the Clinton-Gore administration. “On the heels of the President's Council on Sustainable Development , came the President's Community Empowerment Board, chaired by Vice President Al Gore,” www.rense.com... These quasi-governmental regional authorities are slowly transforming the US from representative government to government by United Nations sponsored and directed NGOs and appointed bureaucrats.

In case you have any doubts about Maurice Strong's ethics, he has been involved in a number of questionable Activities.

The U.N.-appointed Independent Inquiry Committee (IIC), as well as several Congressional investigations, documented a huge amount of evidence involving more than 2,200 companies in 66 countries as well as a number of prominent international politicians. The reports painted an ugly tableau of bribery, corruption, and fraud on a global scale. .The Oil-for-Food became a shameless political charade through which Saddam attempted to manipulate decision-making at the U.N. Security Council by buying the support of influential figures in countries such as Russia and France.
www.iic-offp.org...

Back to religion - TPTB have no intention of abandoning such a useful tool as religion. Since the first Earth Summit in 1972 Strong has worked hard and long to raise eniromentalism/mother earth worship to the status of a religion. Why do you think Veganism has been encouraged to flourish and not sideline to the status of a minor wierd cult? At his Colorado ranch Baca his wfe Hanne runs a "New Age" center

Supposedly, in 1978, a mystic informed Hanne and Maurice Strong that "the Baca would become the center for a new planetary order which would evolve from the economic collapse and environmental catastrophes that would sweep the globe in the years to come." Hanne and Maurice Strong created the Manitou Foundation in 1988, a New Age institute on or near the Baca Ranch....

At the ranch there are representatives of many of the world's religions, spiritual movements, and New Age sects, including the Catholic and Protestant churches, Buddhist monks, and representatives of different variations on Hinduism. A circular temple has been built on the ranch where the missionaries of different religions can contemplate with each other. If you look at the floor plan you'll see the building is a complex flower (the representatives sit in circles within this flower) within a Celtic Cross/Hindu Kiakra. The latter two represent a divine sexual union. The building seems to be a Rosy Cross, which can be interpreted as having the same meaning. In that last case, the color of the rose would correspond with the nearby mountain range: Sangre de Cristo, meaning 'Blood of Christ', the sacred name the Spanish settlers decided to reserve for it.

Nicholas de Vere, former head of the British Dragon Court, wrote: "The Rose represents... the magical menstrual flow of Solomon's beloved." George Hunt, who visited the place, asked to a Catholic priest there, father Victor, what the purpose of the temple is: "We contemplate on the sexual union of the church with God... that's our mission, because we're fulfilling a role that the pope wants us to fulfill. I don't know, we're just contemplating on the sexual union of the church with God." www.isgp.eu...

Strong, Al Gore's good buddy, is certainly one of the leaders or the leading henchman of TPTB and has been intent on bringing the USA to her knees. He has bluntly stated he wants to replace the USA with China is the top power in the World. Seems his plans are coming together right on schedule.

reply to post by crimvelvet

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A good assesment of some of the players on the ground and tools being used to supplant U.S. sovereignty and ultimately destroy it.

Following every treaty back from the War of 1812 the Treaty of Ghent to the Treaty of Paris (the Revolutionary War) all the way back to the founding of Charlemagnes Holy Roman Empire, Rome never goes out of business and every state is contractually bound to it in the treaties couched in language and titles few people know the meaning of.

All roads lead to Rome, and you are correct China is the prototype New World Order State and has been rapidly grown to reflect that.

Originally posted by mamabeth
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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I will always read my Bible and believe what it says.There are still a lot
of christians around here.We haven't been rounded up and shipped out
to camps yet.

Not to be rude or insulting but just to be honest, study the Pennsylvania Dutch Amish. They actually live the Christian lifestyle as put forth.

They live off the land in natural ways, the turn the other cheek, they are not violent, they literally follow every last doctrine as it's laid out.

Those are actual Christians.

Most simply look for ways to rationalize how it's ok not to do some of those things for purposes they deem convenient and valid and foregivable.

Yet the reality is that the Amish who follow the scriptures in their entirety do lead a peaceful life in peace and are exempt from most laws of the United States because they never sold out the principals for convenience sakes and took those social security and medicare cards birth certificates and drivers licenses they rejected the contracts in favor of their humble pious peaceful Christian principals.

That you want to be Christian is great, that you try to do some of the things and fail at the bulk of them does not get you the rewards you imagine it does or should.

Full effort, full rewards. The Amish put in a full effort and get full rewards.

Even they though understand they must render unto Caesar that which is Caesar which is why their collective wealth is an Eclesastical Trust in essence giving it all to Rome in exhange for the privelage to lead a peaceful life, which Rome allows them to do because they actually succeeded in doing what the Bible said.

Using the Bible as a shield and a get out of jail free card versus using it as a total lifestyle that will in fact sheild you and keep you out of jail are two different things.

Most people have them confused.

Thanks.

reply to post by mamabeth

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So you might better understand why the Amish have this edge...

Is they DON'T ARGUE about what's in the Bible and what it means like most Christian Sects do...

They just accept it and follow it to the letter!

No if you really imagine you are doing that?

Enough said.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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I am a very outspoken individual and I'm the matriarch of our
family and group.
We are all proud americans and concerned about the road this
country is traveling.
I wear dresses and skirts down to my ankles.I'm considering
wearing the headcoverings of the amish women!

reply to post by mamabeth

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I mean no offence ma'am! I don't make the rules!

I just know what they are and call them as I see it.

The truth shall set ye free.

The pittfalls are many that's for sure on one's road to redemption.

People laugh at the Amish and make fun of them but they really are the smartest amongst us. They got what was going on they didn't try to challenge it or alter it, they just accepted it.

I am not a Christian but I really admire people who stick precisely to their principles in a disciplined way and those are the people who stick to them in a very disciplined way.

They don't question they obey, they don't challenge they simply do, and in all reality as a result of that they share a bounty greater than most people do and remain impervious and untouchable to the madness that surrounds them.

Even when a lunatic murdered a couple of their children they donated the money that had been donated to them to the perpetrator's family so they could afford to give him a burial.

That my friend, is as Christian as Christian can get.

Do I agree with Christianity? That's neither here nor there, but those people they are Christians, no ifs and or buts about it. Everyone else? Ah I am not so sure. No offence meant, good luck to you in the days ahead.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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Following every treaty back from the War of 1812 the Treaty of Ghent to the Treaty of Paris (the Revolutionary War) all the way back to the founding of Charlemagnes Holy Roman Empire, Rome never goes out of business and every state is contractually bound to it in the treaties couched in language and titles few people know the meaning of.

Yes and they always make sure public school history course never reflect what is actually happening behind the scenes. It is only recently I started following some of the threats and unearthing parts of the story.

I found this bit to be of interest:

“... Over the last quarter-century, historians have by and large ceased writing about the role of ruling elites in the country's evolution. Or if they have taken up the subject, they have done so to argue against its salience for grasping the essentials of American political history. Yet there is something peculiar about this recent intellectual aversion, even if we accept as true the beliefs that democracy, social mobility, and economic dynamism have long inhibited the congealing of a ruling stratum. This aversion has coincided, after all, with one of the largest and fastest-growing disparities in the division of income and wealth in American history....Neglecting the powerful had not been characteristic of historical work before World War II. ” hnn.us...

You do not have to believe in the Iluminai or and other conspiracy group, all you need is to believe in the power of money and that the ultra wealthy only associate with each other. All the rest of the stuff follows from there.


"Welcome to dear old Boston, the land of the bean and the cod, where the Lowells speak only to the Cabots and the Cabots speak only to God…" and if you are NOT from one of the old families only God will speak to you because the natives certainly will not a I found out during 15 friendless years in that miserable place.

reply to post by crimvelvet

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Ah the good old Massachusettes Bay Company. Corporate Headquarters for the United States Corporation.

What a dreary and stuffy life they must live there friend. It's probably even worse than Washington D.C.

People in on the ground floor of an endeavor tend to profit the most and have the most control.

Treaties are contracts. They bind parties in agreement with penalty for not abiding to the agreement.

One of the things about Treaties is you really do have to start at the very first ones to understand through the Treaties what things in the Treaties actually mean as each Treaty is full of language that the real meanings of where defined and accepted in previous treaties.

For instance when a treaty says God it's not the God in heaven they are referring to. By treaty God is legally the Vicar of Christ, the Pontifex Maximus the Pope in Rome. So when a Treaty or Title says the Grace of God most people might think how nice they worship God in the Heavens my God! No they are actually referring to who God is by treaty the Vicar of Christ! Kind of a big difference wouldn't you say?

When a treaty says by Universe or Universal ____________ the Universe is actually Rome as established by treaty, Rome is the Universe legally by Treaty, so when you see references to the Universe in a Treaty it's a reference to Rome, when you see God in a treaty it's a reference to the Pope!

Most people would never think or suspect these things because you are not taught it in school they don't talk about it in the news, and the only way you would know is if you read ALL the treaties from the very first one.

Where you see prince with a small p in someone's title in a treaty, they might also be a King or a Queen of such and such country, but the prince means prince of Rome. Princess Grace, is a prince of Rome for instance her and prince Reneirre don't rule Monacco as Kings and Queens they rule them as Roman prince and princess.

Being a prince of Rome actually is a more important and powerful title and distinction than being a King or Queen which is why prince or princess always comes first.

Another great title is prince elector, prince electors have the power to elect emporers, kings, queens, presidents on behalf of Rome!

Very powerful title. How powerful? The electoral college ellects the President of the United States not the people at the polls!

No we don't talk much about these little known things, hardly at all.

Rome rules and hides in the shadows everything bound to it by contract.

Contracts no one reads and few understand when they do and if you explain it to them you are bound to hear "That's just crazy talk"!

Indeed my friend, tis a crazy world.

reply to post by Janitor From Mars

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I believe we can defeat this reality with the power of positive thinking and constructive action.

I learned while troublshooting production problems you can not fix a problem without first correctly diagnosing the actual cause.

I am hoping that this time, thanks to the internet the actual cause is finally recognized so we can really correct the problem.

The last time TPTB got rid of McFadden

in 1933, Congressman McFadden introduced House Resolution No. 158, Articles of Impeachment for the Secretary of the Treasury, two assistant Secretaries of the Treasury, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, and the officers and directors of its twelve regional banks. Subsequently he was shot at twice, poisoned and had his stomach pumped, "heart-failure sudden-death" on Oct. 3, 1936, after a "dose" of "intestinal flu," "Pelley's Weekly" of Oct. 14 said: www.rumormillnews.com...

Here is part of McFadden's speech

www.apfn.net...
"Mr. Chairman, the United States is bankrupt: It has been bankrupted by the corrupt and dishonest Fed. It has repudiated its debts to its own citizens. Its chief foreign creditor is Great Britain, and a British bailiff has been at the White House and the British Agents are in the United States Treasurymaking inventory arranging terms of liquidations!..."Mr. Chairman, the Fed has offered to collect the British claims in full from the American public by trickery and corruption, if Great Britain will help to conceal its crimes. The British are shielding their agents, the Fed,...

“The Fed Note is essentially unsound. It is the worst currency and the most dangerous that this Country has ever known... They should not have made the Government [liable on the private] debts of individuals and corporations, and, least of all, on the private debts of foreigners.” home.hiwaay.net...

Any bets a lot of that bailout money ended up in the World Bank/IMF???
Or Chase bank, bank of the UN, Morgans and Rockefellers???

reply to post by buddhasystem

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How to you propose to keep the christians from posting their views on
this,or other forums,on the internet?
I would be really interested in your suggestions on how to shut us up.
I am sure there are others, just as eager to silence the christians,as
you appear.
We are also living on the same globe as you do.The economy,society,
and current events effect us as well.Which gives us a right to express
our point of view.You have the same right not to listen to us.

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