This thread is yet another example of the wide divide between those who would meter out justice using the same tactics and techniques as the accused, and those who would seek to find a better, more deterring and morally right way of punishing those who murder and rape.

For me it is as simple as this: Many countries have the Death Penalty and yet still see just as many murders and rapes, if not more, than countries that do not. Where is the deterrent? There is none obviously, as people are still being killed and raped.

No, I think this is more about the bloodlust and the "eye for an eye" attitude by people who secretly wish they could perform these tasks themselves on someone but do not want to be punished for it. Therefore it is easier to get behind the bandwgon of morally corrupt bloodlust and perform the same heinous deed on the accused as the accussed did to the victim and label it as "Just Punishment" - therefore getting their share of bloodlust and hatred without the accompanying punishment. Sickening really.....

Oh and ProtoPlasmic While I see what you meant by the comment about Australia being a penal colony, you must understand that to an Aussie that is rather insulting as we have that thrown at us constantly by foreigners who seek to make us seem like a giant island full of convicts. Just letting you know is all (Oh and Zazz I'm related to one of the guards too! Those pesky foreigners seem to forget that where there are prisoners there are also guards.....)

Originally posted by Kryties
For me it is as simple as this: Many countries have the Death Penalty and yet still see just as many murders and rapes, if not more, than countries that do not. Where is the deterrent? There is none obviously, as people are still being killed and raped.

Baloney


Saudi Arabia is just a hot bed of Rape and murder.

Anyone who abuses children in this way does not deserve to live.

Simple as that.

Anyone who takes someone else's life deliberately and in cold blood does not deserve to live.

Originally posted by spellbound
Anyone who abuses children in this way does not deserve to live.

Simple as that.

Anyone who takes someone else's life deliberately and in cold blood does not deserve to live.

But crucifying is a bit too far, right? I mean at the most lethal injection.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Moral awakening?
By whose standard?
Yours?

....and that of most of my entire country, and all those MANY other countries who have abolished the death penalty.....this isn't just my opinion you know

I ignored your obvious attempt to drag the US into this. The thread was about Saudi Arabia. Sad really. Classic deflection.

No deflection intended, the statement was made to pre-empt any argument from your side that I should leave other countries to do their own thing - I was merely pointing out that since the US doesn't do this it would be rather hypocritical of you to mention it.

But I do see what you have done here by attempting to deflect the topic onto something I wrote that you have misconstrued either ignorantly or deliberately. Nice try mate


[edit on 4/11/2009 by Kryties]

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Again the topic was Saudi Arabia not the US.

To which I came in here and remarked about the swarm of people coming in here, pitchforks raised ready to behead and crucify someone who raped a child. Yes, the raping of the child was wrong on every level concievable (make sure you read this several times and stick it in your head as I will not be accused of having no empathy for the victim again, as I have been in other threads) and the accused should be punished - but beheading and crucifying the dead body is morally wrong, a little sick and definately backward.

Oh, and in order to make a full case for or against the death penalty, one must look at ALL countries who still perform executions to get a complete picture - focusing on just one country narrows the field and does not give a whole picture of the situation. So, by telling me not to bring the US into this, you are suggesting I limit my research and only talk about that which suits you?

[edit on 4/11/2009 by Kryties]

The sad irony here is the very same Americans applauding this mans beheading and crucifixion are the same ones who, when it suits their viewpoint, berate the Muslims as "savage barbarians" etc....

Pathetic...

It must also be noted that the man was convicted on the evidence of the 3 year old victim....

Many an adult jury has sent an innocent man to his death...ask anyone from Texas.....

Could it be possible he may be innocent, and it is your innocent son(hypothetically ) who is to be executed????

Not trying to downplay the severity of the crime, not at all, but, playing devils advocate, it wouldnt surprise me if he was innocent....which, to me, just highlights once again why the abolition of the death penalty is a must for any country believing itself to be civilised....


"In 2008 China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the United States of America were the five states with the highest rate of executions. Together they carried out (93%) of all executions worldwide.
Europe and Central Asia is now virtually a death penalty free zone following the abolition of the death penalty in Uzbekistan for all crimes. There is just one country left — Belarus — that still carries out executions.

In the Americas, only one state — the United States — consistently executes. However, even the USA moved away from the death penalty in 2008. This year, the smallest number of executions since 1995 was reported in the USA.

The majority of countries now refrain from using the death penalty. Furthermore, in 2008 Amnesty International recorded only 25 out of 59 countries that retain the death penalty actually carried out executions. The practice of states indicates that there is increasing consolidation of majority international consensus that the death penalty cannot be reconciled with respect for human rights.

Despite positive developments a number of tough challenges remain. Countries in Asia carried out more executions in 2008 than the rest of the world put together. The region with the second highest number of reported executions was the Middle East."


From Amnesty USA

Originally posted by Kryties
(make sure you read this several times and stick it in your head as I will not be accused of having no empathy for the victim again, as I have been in other threads)

More assumptions?

the accused should be punished - but beheading and crucifying the dead body is morally wrong, a little sick and definately backward.

You left out the part about that being your opinion.
Get it yet?

So, by telling me not to bring the US into this, you are suggesting I limit my research and only talk about that which suits you?

Nope, It's just staying on topic is all.


[edit on 4-11-2009 by SLAYER69]

I cannot believe so many people support such a barbaric sentence. That sort of thing makes us no better than the ones who commit those heinous crimes. It's not "justice", it's brutality.

"Justice" would be putting this guy into a prison where he would himself get raped. That, I could see as "justice", though I don't approve of that either. But to crucify someone? Barbaric.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
More assumptions?

Being accused of having no empathy for the victim in other threads is NOT an assumption mate, it is FACT.

You left out the part about that being your opinion.
Get it yet?

Yes, it is my opinion, but I will not be silenced for having it - as you have tried to do not only by telling me to "get off my soapbox" but also by attempting to make it look like I am deflecting the topic - when in fact what I discussed has EXTREME relevance to the topic at hand - being the DEATH PENALTY.

Nope, It's just staying on topic is all.

Which I have also done, and your continual assertions that I have not are only making your argument weaker by the minute.