Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Most people who end up victims end up victims because of poor judgement, lax oversight, and other things that endanger them.

That pretty much sums up every 2 or 3 year old molested, raped or murdered.

Originally posted by sdcigarpig

What about the 17 yo teenager for having sex with a 15 yo girl? Does this punishment warrent that kind of punishment? After all it would be considered statory rape, even if the girl wanted it.

No because their ages are so similar and although it is statutory rape, technically rape, it is not paedophilia.

Or how about the parent or close family member, how do you tell the child, that because of their testimony or the persons actions, this caused the death of a close family member?

Well you wouldn't tell them that would you?

And why would the person be dead?

They would be told that what the person did was wrong and have to have years of counselling and therapy to deal with the issues.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Most people who end up victims end up victims because of poor judgement, lax oversight, and other things that endanger them.

That pretty much sums up every 2 or 3 year old molested, raped or murdered.

Yes it surely does Slayer, and most of it was entirely preventable in 20/20 hindsight.

We aren't taking our Monday Morning Quarterback Experiences and putting them to good use on the playing field though friend.

Reactive, retroactive retribution does little to proactively protect the most vulnerable.

A corrupted mind is impossible to uncorrupt unless you get into lobotomies and what not.

Deterrents don't actually work against deviants with corrupted minds friend.

Their corrupted mind and deviance is ultimately going to hold sway over the fear of possible future punishment. That's down the road, their urgent need is today.

How do we better protect the at risk population today? Retribution won't do that, it just weans the potential victimizer pool down.

You can't apply your sane mind's your non-deviant mind's standards to an insane one or a deviant one and realistically expect them to mean anything.

In fact some even invite the additional challenges to up the adrenalin anti Slayer.

It's about protecting these kids, truly protecting them.

Personally as a parent I wanted to just lock my kids in the closet until they turned 18! That's the extreme I wanted to protect them.

I know what goes on out there in the world. I am not naive or blind to it.

The argument for retribution should not be mixed with the argument for protection in my humble opinion.

The reality is retribution has never stopped these crimes and it never will stop these crimes.

As far as the argument for retribution goes, uncivilized retribution doesn't highlight a need for civilized behavior but promotes the concept that there are circumstances where we need not be civilized. The more often you do that the more widely such standards will end up being applied in the society the government is simply a reflection of.

If death must occur instead of imprisonment or surgery then it should be swift, and humane.

As civilized as an uncivilized thing can be.

Otherwise you do end up promoting a barbarous society. Is not half the argument against the Islamic East in regards to some of its more barbarous behavior and justice?

A condom might help you not catch a sexual disease, ultimately abstaining is the only thing that will guarantee it.

Therefore the only thing that's going to stop predators is keeping children safe from them. We don't know they are predators until their predatory behavior is successful though. The trick is keeping the herd safe from them by keeping the herd better guarded.

That's common sense friend. How do we better guard the herd?




[edit on 3/11/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Im sorry if that was my child he raped and murdered, I would be demanding the death penalty. I do not care if I am shot down for stateing my opinion on the matter, if you take in innocent childs life like this, then you deserve, what ever comes your way.

It is funny that this happens in Sauda Arabia, the international community does not criticise them or anything. But if this happened in Iran or North Korea, The international community, would be jumping all over each other criticezing them.

Originally posted by Snarf


IMO, people who think this way are one bad day away from being tomorrow's headline as this country's next serial killer.

Sorry which country would that be?

Gotta say, the death penalty in Saudi Arabia for child rapists is totally death metal.

As an alternative to death sentences, why not make a law that would legalize and require the surgical removal of a convicted rapist/pedophile's sex organ? In the case of male offenders, perhaps remove their d*cks and testicles? I couldn't think of a more effective deterrent (and a more appropriate form of punishment) than rendering such people incapable of "performing" sexual intercourse. But in the case of females... well, perhaps require them to wear one of those modern-day chastity belts? That way, they won't even be capable of "stimulating" themselves if they wanted to. Better than letting those bastards off the hook so easily by killing them via death sentence.

Of course human rights will always be an issue, but hey, people like that guy who raped five kids and left one dead in the desert already gave up his right to be called "human".