Saudi court upholds child rapist crucifixion ruling, page 2

Originally posted by sos37
reply to post by thoughtsfull

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I have no desire to see the offenders coddled as you put it and I personally want to see all of them locked up for even the slightest little thing for when it comes to abuse nothing will stop the sick f*cks. I want to see them banged up forever..

However I would never call you an animal for your view, I just have a different view to yours is all..

My abuse started very young, and indeed most of those I know have been programed during their abuse that they are not to tell, that they are to blame.. most abusers do an immense amount of damage with that programming. I know a fair number of people who are no longer alive today because of that damage.. for me that is murder.. indeed child abuse murders the child, it kills off what that child could be, which is unforgivable.

And I was just adding my thoughts that a number of survivors like myself would not be able to deal with the additional guilt associated with causing their perpetrators demise, especially when you consider the programming that has already taken place. So what I am talking about how the child would deal with the situation, I know with the programming I received that I would not have survived..

Like you I have planned a good number of ways in which to "repay" certain people.. however it isn't about moral high ground, it is simply about surviving, it is not how someone survives it is the fact they do survive that is important.

reply to post by tothetenthpower

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I do have a problem with this, and it did happen to me, just as others it happens to have a different point of view to me.. I prefer the idea of sending them all to Gitmo :-) that feels about right to me.. but it would have to be forever..

reply to post by sos37

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justice? Really? Will this "justice" bring those kids back, or restore their innocence? Seems unlikely.

Justice is not a barbaric act stacked on top of another... This monster isn't taught a thing, nor is it a deterent to the true monsters out there.

It was retribution, nothing more. ...and it reduces those to the level of the monster they're supposedly punishing. Society is not served. Kill the monster? Fine. Shoot him in the back of the head, finished. One less monster in the world. Chop of his head? I suppose. Then crucify? What purpose is served? Horrifying people who have done nothing wrong. The true monsters will not be deterred.

reply to post by SLAYER69

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No parents would have an issue with a barbaric punishment such as this? Beg to differ. Though I'm not a parent, I know several sets of parents who'd be more than slightly put off by this.

A monster such as this is incapable of seeing the wrong of his actions, he's insane in every sense of the term. What do you do with a mad dog? You shoot it, put it out of it's misery, and ours, for the public good. The actions taken against a pedophile should be the same. Simple, straight forward, and yes, merciful. Quick, and it's over.

What good is done by torture? Save damaging the torturer, and those unfortunate enough to witness it?

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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Cool.

Thanks for replying.

So far it's 1 parent for and 1 against.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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I certainly understand where you are coming from, I agree that it is barbaric and does nothing to further our society or the victim's families.

There is just something however, I can't put my finger on it, that makes me smile everytime I hear of a child rapist being given the same kind of torture he gave to those poor souls.

It's unfortunate, and I am not proud of this sentiment, it actually makes me a little sick upon further thought, but it is something that is engraved in me, much like racism in other people.

I just have this unholy hatred for these people and I don't think any action done to these people would make me cringe as much as what they did to deserve it.

Now in your example listed above, I would have been right there beside you attempting to help this man who had not received fair trial but was at the mercy of a wife who wanted nothing but emotional release for his previous and current actions.

It's an unfortunate world we live in, humans are creatures of emotion and instinct and one of the things we do best is finding new and crueler ways to hurt each other.

~Keeper

reply to post by SLAYER69

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I was, in essence, replying to the members who are, indeed, advocating just that very thing. Torture.

Beheading is quick alright. I saw an accidental beheading thirty plus years ago...someday the nightmares, God willing, will stop. Why not just shoot the bastard and have done? Less traumatic to the poor people who get to witness it. To this day, the sight of human blood is not something I handle well...

Remember, in dealing with pedophiles, you are dealing with insanity. It has no deterant value. We're agreed that he should indeed die...

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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Cool.

Thanks for replying.

So far it's 1 parent for and 1 against.

Here is the reality Slayer this does not protect Children it endangers them further. Many more pedophiles are now opting to kill their victims rather than risk life long sexual offender status and three strikes and you’re out laws by allowing their victims to live.

Retribution doesn't protect a child already harmed. It's too late for that.

The form of retribution chosen though can in fact imperil a future victim whose parents or an institution failed to protect.

The only thing retribution protects are irresponsible adults not wanting to put real intellectual thought into laws that protect children by holding the people who endangered them responsible for it as well instead of just the people who victimized them responsible for it.

As a parent I have made it my business to keep track of my children and restrict their freedom to place them selves in endangering situations.

That's protecting a child, not brutally murdering the person who already victimized an unprotected child.

As a parent my responsibility is to protect my children and I surely do!

If one my children were to be raped I would consider myself as much as fault as the person who did it, because I failed to protect them in my responsibility as a parent.

Are people in their rush to exercise retribution and blood lust protecting children or are they protecting their own conscious in regards to not better protecting children by acting out revenge.

The statistics of the new laws already point to a disturbing trend in child predators killing their victims to eliminate them as witnesses against them.

Explain to me how that protects Children as I surely would like to know.

Mine is not the heart that is bleeding, mine is the head that is thinking and asking the tough questions not the feel good solutions.





[edit on 3/11/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

reply to post by SLAYER69

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I disagree and I do have children and I am not a bleeding heart... tho I can understand why some parents would feel this way given the usual sentences handed out these monsters.

Originally posted by sos37


This, people, is justice!

You mean vengeance.

This is exactly what should happen to those who rape and murder children. I hate that this horrible monster will have a swift death through beheading, however. My wish is that they would crucify the man before beheading him - leave him crucified and on display for all to see. Leave him to hang for hours in agony, remembering those he killed, the lives he's ruined.

Yep.. I was right... vengeance.

Only behead him once he is already close to death and then send him to face judgment again before God.

There is no God but you.

My heart weeps for these poor children. But it will never weep when justice is finally served.

in.reuters.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

See here is the issue with this. From a religious standpoint, that is so Old Testament... and from a psychological standpoint you are merely doing the same thing to this guy as he did to the kids... taking out your own vengeance.

Secondly, this doesn't solve anything... the article posted said there have been 40 such beheadings this year alone.

I grieve for the kids as well. Which is why I won't allow my animal mind to stoop to the same level as their aggressor.

reply to post by SLAYER69

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I see. Thanks for clarifying.

I do not have sympathy for anyone who would do something like this and do agree that "removing" him is what is necessary and deserved. Whether such a sentence is a deterrant or not may be of debate, but what is not of debate is that this sentence equals "one less"...

[edit on 3-11-2009 by LadySkadi]

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by SLAYER69

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No parents would have an issue with a barbaric punishment such as this? Beg to differ. Though I'm not a parent, I know several sets of parents who'd be more than slightly put off by this.

In fact the parents of the girl who was raped in California recently expressed the same sentiment... they said STOP THE VIOLENCE.

They said if you are outraged then go volunteer or something... but they wanted to stop the cycle of violence.

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