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reply posted on 3-11-2009 @ 04:48 PM by Skyfloating
Originally posted by rogerstigers
You know, I have to respect the experiment that made the United States. I think the Constitution was well put together and well thought out. It has served as a fine model for a government that has had promise. And to be frank, a lot of mankind's technological and humanitarian progress can be attributed to the way that the United States has operated for it very short life span.


Taking the Constitution as a point-of-orientation things would start getting better quickly. The Constitution answers all the questions politicians appear to be struggling with these days.


What the Constitution failed to include is a big fat red flashing reset button. *shrug*


All that is needed is a re-read, a refreshers course on the Constitution so to speak. The more politics drifts away from the basic point of reference, the more lost it gets.


It should not EVER guarantee happiness and success -- or even survival. It should provide only the freedom for each human to achieve it. Anything more or less than that leads to slavery.


Yes. I dont take quite as dim of a view of the U.S. and its politics as Blogosphere and ATSsphere does though. Government-hatred is a graver problem than the Government itself, imo.


Life should NOT be easy. Life should be hard and challenging. That is how we as humans learn and grow.


Yes.


Look at our American culture these days. Fat, lazy, tv and video game zombies. We revel in trivial, materialistic rubbish, pretending that we are being "bad" and then run off to church once a week to get a new meal pass for the week. The sense of personal responsibility, not for one's actions -- for one's LIFE, has withered away from a lack of effort.


The U.S. Populace had become a bit too comfortable in their TV-Chair. Which is why I applauded a little bit of economic-crisis - as a wake-up call.


You can leave and back pack across the world. You can explore and learn." Money and material are tools, not goals.




Ok, so that's my rant. That's why I consider myself a bit anarchist. I think it is time for a see change and a tearing down of the walls. These political games are useless distractions.


I understand. But I insist that flying is easier from a stable platform. Backpacking without any money or personal belongings is a fantastic experience...but so is coming back home into orderly/safe (non-anarchic) circumstances.

[edit on 3-11-2009 by Skyfloating]


reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 02:19 PM by apacheman
Originally posted by Skyfloating


The preferred self-view of many Republicans: Self-Responsibility, Industriousness, Valor, Uprightness, Decency, Reliability, Firmness, Spiritual Ethics, Strength, Courage, Respect towards Family, Community, Country, Productive, Straightforward, Small Government, Self-Sufficient, Freedom, Privacy.

The projected prejudical view of the Left: Pansy, morally relativistic, weak, cry-baby, lazy, naive, authority-hating, success-hating, PC, not-straightforward, recipe-for-poverty and crime, loss of law and order, etc.

Of course those projected views are distortions/exaggerations. But that will give you an idea of why many liberal-minded people in the U.S. actually give their vote to Republicans.

[edit on 3-11-2009 by Skyfloating]



While that may be the the self-view of Republicans, it is certainly at odds with Republican behavior. Most Republicans I've known personally demand personal accountability for everyone but themselves, demand special treatment, have stiffed US veterans every chance they get, value cash in hand over family values, demand strict obedience to authority (as long as it is their approved authority), enforce those laws they like, ignore those they don't, are unwilling to pay a fair share, or to aid their fellow citizens in need. Most revere anyone who is wealthy, no matter how poor a parent, citizen, or human being: wealth is their only touchstone for worth. Most are pretty ignorant and are very proud of their ignorance. Selfishness is rampant among them. Pretty much all are two-faced; for instance, most will talk reverently about the "sanctity of contracts" while blithely demanding that union renegotiate every time management screws up, without once thinking of the disparity between word and deed..

Sorry, but I personally have never seen a Republican adhere to any of the characteristics you listed. If you think they do, you either practice self-delusion or you know an enclave of Republicans I've never met, seen or heard rumor of in my lifetime.

I am Native American and do adhere to most of those values you listed, most of my Republican friends think I should abandon my disabled brother to the state so that I can improve my personal economic position, and have frankly told me they would dump him in a heartbeat if they were in my position, calling me weak and soft for caring too much about someting other than myself. Their view is that he should sink or swim on his own.

And no I'm not a Democrat or a "leftist" (whatever that may be). I'm simply a human being who tries as hard as he can to take care of his family (not just my offspring), his community, and his people, without striving to have the most, be the wealthiest, or have the most power.

So I have to disagree with you. Republicans are delusional, for the most part. They elevate greed into a virtue, use "self-sufficiency" to abandon responsibilities, and seem to believe that kidnapping, torture, and aggression are okay if done in the name of profit. They've ruined the country by refusing to employ Americans while demanding Americans pay for their mistakes, over-reaches, and international outlawry. If they truly believed in pay-as-you-go and personal responsibility, why aren't they supporting tax increases to support the wars they've started and failed to finish? Why didn't they let the "free market" and capitalism deal with the gamblers who wrecked our economy? They're all for 3-strikes and locking people up except when it comes to financial crimes by their favored elites.

I dislike Republicans not because I don't know them or have misunderstood them or because I'm a member of some other party. I dislike them because in my lifetime I'm found them to be mean, petty, ignorant, selfish, deceitful, intolerant, and lustful of power over others, power they usually use to harm, not help.


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 05:10 AM by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by Skyfloating



Excellent post

Americans are so alike in so many ways but we're so ready to get caught up in the little political differences, in the labels, stereotypes, fringe issues and false paradigms. Its good to see someone who actually has educated opinions that don't have to follow a rigid platform.

Too many are political zombies who leap aboard a party bandwagon and immediately adopt an ideology or platform without doing any critical thinking or looking at other options. They blindly believe whatever party leadership decides to spoon out to them.

It is good to know there are free thinkers willing to look outside the box. This nation might just have a chance if we Americans stop squabbling and come to some Consensus on the issues that matter or at the very least agree to disagree


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 04:57 AM by Skyfloating
Originally posted by apacheman
While that may be the the self-view of Republicans, it is certainly at odds with Republican behavior. Most Republicans I've known personally demand personal accountability for everyone but themselves, demand special treatment, have stiffed US veterans every chance they get, value cash in hand over family values, demand strict obedience to authority (as long as it is their approved authority), enforce those laws they like, ignore those they don't, are unwilling to pay a fair share, or to aid their fellow citizens in need. Most revere anyone who is wealthy, no matter how poor a parent, citizen, or human being: wealth is their only touchstone for worth. Most are pretty ignorant and are very proud of their ignorance. Selfishness is rampant among them. Pretty much all are two-faced; for instance, most will talk reverently about the "sanctity of contracts" while blithely demanding that union renegotiate every time management screws up, without once thinking of the disparity between word and deed..


None of that is me or my pals. You've fallen for far-left brainwashing.


my Republican friends think I should abandon my disabled brother to the state so that I can improve my personal economic position, and have frankly told me they would dump him in a heartbeat if they were in my position, calling me weak and soft for caring too much about someting other than myself. Their view is that he should sink or swim on his own.


Kindness, Compassion and looking out for the interests of family, neighbours and ones Community is one of the cornerstones of Conservativism.



Republicans are delusional


You dont know anything about us. Not the first thing.


kidnapping, torture, and aggression are okay if done in the name of profit.


Yeah, we're all heavily into torture, slaughter and greed.

Wake up man.



They've ruined the country


Theyve built it, actually.



mean, petty, ignorant, selfish, deceitful, intolerant, and lustful of power over others, power they usually use to harm, not help.


Mirror, mirror on the wall...

[edit on 10-11-2009 by Skyfloating]


reply posted on 11-11-2009 @ 10:44 AM by Skyfloating
reply to post by apacheman



Its propagandistic to take the 1% that are deranged nutjobs and pretend these represent the 99%.


reply posted on 11-11-2009 @ 03:46 PM by Skyfloating
reply to post by djvexd



You're right about racism being a thing of past generations. Its pretty alien to my generation...except in special areas of conflict.

Political Correctness is creating just as much racism as racists themselves imo, because the continually over-emphasize how "weak and miserable" various "minority" groups supposedly are.
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