WAR: English Words and Western Voices Heard on Nick Berg Beheading Video

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posted on May, 24 2004 @ 01:18 AM
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US tried to plant WMDs, failed: whistleblower

uploaded 18 May 2004


According to a stunning report posted by a retired Navy Lt Commander and 28-year veteran of the Defense Department (DoD), the Bush administrations assurance about finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was based on a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) plan to plant WMDs inside the country. Nelda Rogers, the Pentagon whistleblower, claims the plan failed when the secret mission was mistakenly taken out by friendly fire, the Environmentalists Against War report.

Why am I not shocked by the paragraph above ? Why am I not surprised over the bomb ( WMD ) that was found ( when it exploded) by our troops this past week,..... just a few day later after " Rumsfelt " had been there for a visit in Iraq, and then this beheading of Nick Burg , alll of this happening " After" the abuses going on in that prison !

I smell a LARGE fat RAT ( and his cronnies ), with little beaded eye's, sitting in the White House as the " presidental impostor" !

Defination for impostor - A person who cheats or tricks people, especially by pretending to be someone else or a different sort of person.




posted on May, 24 2004 @ 03:18 AM
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Hey, I am a doctor of medicine and am also arabic origin from the middle east.

Actually I watched the video several times yesterday, I agree on the problem related to the blood. Usually carotid artery (the artery of the neck) will eject blood about 50 cm high, and that there were no convulsions, and many other problems with the videoetc

I want to say the accent of the speaker, maybe it doesn't sound like Jordanian accent but it is difficult to know actually because he was speaking the standard Arabic. Some accents can easily be known like Iraqi or Egyptian but this one is difficult.

Now the statements heard at the end. I heard two statements, the first one sounds like "a-wudthu-billah" (Arabic statement, shortened of "awudthubillahimanash-shawtannirajim") which means something about keeping the devil away... I say it sounds like that but not sure.

The second statement wasn't clear so I can't say if it is Arabic or English.



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 03:22 AM
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Thanks for that imput Docman.


Any further ideas you have on Arabic alternaives to those final statements would be welcome.We're all open minded on whether it's English or Arabic.



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 06:04 AM
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This is the translation of what the false Iraqi chef says. Don't you think it's too satanist-like, antichristic, too be muslim spoke? It seems to me that they are saying exactely what westerners would expect to legitimate the war, but it's not very Muslim... What do Muslims think about? That's not a Muslim logic! That's christian logic that muslim don't realy care or understand. Muslim are christian only in teir acts, not in the philosophy of Good and bad, annonced by W himself.

PS : that war was made for him, his father and their petrol loby. In 30 years it'll be difficult to find petrol and in 50 years their would be no more petrol (hic!! big hic!!). China has already no importation of arabic petrol since the war.



Translated from Arabic :

Sheikh Abu Mus'ab Alzrqawy slaughters an American with his hands and threatens Bush with more

A statement to the nation
The praise of Allah for all Muslims with his support and the humiliating of those who attempt to defeat Islam and who attack it and who entice the unbelievers with their cunning.
The one that appreciated the days countries with its justice and the prayer and the greeting on from above the Islam lighthouse by its sword as for after :
The Islamic nation
You rejoice at the first signs of the dawn that have started that have granted the wind of triumph. Allah was benevolent to us in Al Fallujah, granting us victory
On one of the days of Allah and that was known to Allah alone
The Islamic nation
Does any excuse for waiting remain? How the free Muslim sleeps, with his eyelids closed.
And he sees that Islam is slaughtered and can be seen bleeding its dignity
And the shameful pictures and the news of the evil humiliation of the Islam people men and women in Ghareb 's father prison then where the jealousy and where the zeal and where the anger about the Allah's religion and where the jealousy for the Muslims sanctities and where the revenge for the honors of Muslims and Muslims is in the crosses prisons .
As for you are the Islam clerics then to Allah we complain about you, you see that Allah have founded the argument on you by the Islam young man who humiliated the strongest force in the date then broke its nose and destroyed its pride
We came to you that you learn from them the reliance meanings and derive from their doing the lessons of sacrifice and redemption to when you remain as the women you master only the slapping language and know only the way of wail and weeping
Then this appeals the world freemen and this it begs Kofi Annan and a third begs Amr Moussa and fourth he demands peaceful demonstrations and as if they did not hear to his saying ( ( O you the prophet incited the believers to the fight ) )
You were fed up with the fight of the conferences and the oratorical battles ohm came to you that you take the jihad way and carry the sword that sent by it the prophets master
And we beg from you that you do not be involved as usual in the denial of what will do it satisfaction of the Americans
He has ordered the prophet - peace be upon him - and he is master the merciful are with the slitting of the necks of some prisoners and their slow killing
And for us it is an example and a good example
As for you, the Roman dog Bush, I hope you are displeased and we wait for you with God's Help tough days and you and your soldiers today who tred Iraq's land will regret it.
And she dared in it to the Muslims fever
And another message to traitor Pervez Musharraf then we say to him that we in wait for your meeting with your soldiers
We demand of the American and will take revenge for the blood of our brothers in and Iraq and elsewhere
And as for you and the Americans soldiers wife then we say that we offered to the American administration this prisoner in exchange for some of the prisoners in Abu Ghareb prison but they refused
Then we say but if the dignity of Muslims and Muslims in Abu Ghareb prison and others is worth theur blood and souls
we tell you to know that the coffins will arrive to you one coffin after another, as your people are slaughtered in this way.........
Then you kill the polytheists where you find them and you take them and count them and place them where they can be seen.
Allah is the greatest and the honour to Allah and to its messenger and to the militants
And our last claim is that the praise of Allah is the Lord of the Worlds
Abu Mus'ab Alzrqawy
Prince of Al Tawhid group and jihad



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 06:37 AM
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tightflks and docman

Thanks for you input on this. I have a quesion concerning the possible Arabic phrase "keep the devil away". Is saying that phrase at such a time some kind of custom or something? In other words, does it make sense to you to have that said at this point?



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 07:54 AM
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No, not at all. The phrase is said when you are scared, or just at anytime you are doing something that requires attention and devotion, and your mind begins to wander as in thinking of something else). Never have I used this phrase during qurbani(when we sacrifice animals to eat, which these "terrorists" are trying it as, by saying allahuakbar over and over). So I highly doubt a phrase of this would be said at the time.

However, if these were in fact the terrorists, they are crazy, and maybe they said the phrase as in keeping the american devils away. Must always be open to different ideas.

Also, we are finding all this evidence, and as much as I would like it to be an American cover up, you must understand terrorists are very smart too. One interpretation could be that the terrorists left these clues, so we can all think this. (if you can fake an apu accent from the simpsons, maybe an arab can fake an american one)



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 08:35 AM
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tightflks

Thank you very much for this feedback. I agree with your thoughts. Keeping an open mind to all possibilities is the only way you avoid a close-minded assumption that leads no where.

I think your comments are this possible Arabic phrase are very interesting and valuable.



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 08:42 AM
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Don't you think Chalabi (I think it's Chalabi or I don't remember his name, the one who was visited by the army for no real raeson) would be accused to have made that false video?



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 09:21 AM
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Ain't that right..


Originally posted by Darkblade71
In reply to SD-JH543

With allies like that, who needs enemies?

That is another possibility thrown into the mix, all I can say is this whole thing is messed up.

[Edited on 23-5-2004 by Darkblade71]



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 11:30 AM
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I have to say that all things I have said are only things that can seam strange about the death of Nick. I don't aggre with some ideas because I have the same chair at home for exemple.
The texts I send are to make debate. The statements I say are old europ points of vue and are token of frenship in front of something we don't understand about America.
It is important to understand that the point of vue are realy different in America and Europ and elsewhere too. Saying that american people seam mistaken by an administration is not a fact but a feeling, you should care about, of many countries.
I would be a (biiip) if I didn't say it. I'm very preoccupy, as a lot of french and europeen, by somethings we don't understand about america.
That's token of friendship, of a human from the world, sometime America don't see or care.

I'm sad but still hopfull.



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 02:00 PM
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After all is said and done
I see a video of the beheading of Mr. Berg.
Amateurish, but real (the video that is)
With a lot of Babbling (see Babylon) at the end.

We'll never know without better copies of this.
Thanks for the hard work anyway.

Oh, and Nanna_of_6: "Don't drive angry"

You're just Bush Bashing here.



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 05:46 PM
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I HOPE THIS QUESTION HITS THE RIGHT PEOPLE BECAUSE IAM NEW TO THIS. Q... HAS ANYBODY GOT ANY IDEA JUST HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE DIED
AT THE HANDS OF G W BUSH AND HIS DAD. BUT BEAR IN MIND THAT I BE LIVE THAT BUSH AND SON ARE THE MASTERMINDS BEHIND 9/11. PS ...THEY
PLAYED THE BUSH FAMILY LIKE A GRAND PIANO.



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 09:10 PM
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I saw the video on the first day it was available. What caught my attention during the reading leading up to the "beheading" was the stance of the man on the far right wearing high top white sneakers. His posture was certainly not Iraqi.

Next thing was the beginning of the screaming just before the 'Act'. Berg's mouth did not move.

When the "beheading" was about to begin, the camera was jostled, the screaming continued and as the sawing continued there was no blood spewing from the neck arteries. As the head was held up for the camera view, there was no blood drippiing from the severed neck. The video of Afghani beheading was very bloody, with blood spurting 3 to 4 feet from the victim DURING the beheading. When the head was held up, more blood continued to flow out of the head. There is slightly more that a gallon of blood in a live human head. What does that tell you?

Conclusion: If this was actually Berg, he was dead long before the head was severed and it appears that the camera was jostled and stopped and then restarted to "show" the "beheading".

Couple all this together with the American voices on the tape and it would appear this was a staged act, for the purpose of taking the heat off of the rapes and murders of the Iraqi prisoners. I don't think it worked very well.

John McCarthy
Chairman of The Board of VERPA
Veterans Equal Rights Protection Advocacy
www.verpa.org...
Blog: www.jenmartinez.com...



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 09:44 PM
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The voices are very clear, and very much English. Towards the end, I slowed up the voices enough to hear a man ask a question "How are we gonna do that?" and a soft reply "Do what?" and the man asked again "How are we gonna... " then the audio was cut. There is definately something not right here, the voices were very clear, and if you were Arab, why switch to English when speaking to peers?



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 10:17 PM
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very interesting

this could mean a lot of things.

extremely good find



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 10:22 PM
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Now I am questioning the validity of the voices, I heard it to. But it is just so blatantly there, that I am wondering if those voices were added. I hear it but it seems like the voices are misplaced amongst all the other chatter.

Hearing this just brings up more questions for me.



posted on May, 25 2004 @ 12:57 AM
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Tightflks, you could be right. Terrorists are masters of disinformation also...I think it more likely a terrorist would use the orange jumpsuit and Abu Ghraib style chair to make it look like a US cover up, than for the US to mistakenly use these props and think no one would notice.



posted on May, 25 2004 @ 01:45 AM
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By using this message board, you agree to the following:
1.) You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate.

What kind of sheltered and demented life have you lived to actually believe that the US Governmnet hand anything to do with this.

Given that most elite organizations require training in the traditional education arena, be they military or intelligence there is an ingrained culture placed in those who operate in a clandestine fashion.

Peach in Turkish is a curse word. Alasmaladik sounds like I lost my dick in english when it is a salutation.

You guys are absolutely reaching. I don't come to this site but I am surfing at night doing research on the fanaticism on the website and I hit pay dirt with this stuff.

Go back to playing dungeons and dragons and get over being a social outcast in high school.

Patrius



posted on May, 25 2004 @ 02:56 AM
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Originally posted by patrius
Go back to playing dungeons and dragons and get over being a social outcast in high school.
Patrius


By using this message board, you agree to the following:
2.) You will not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack anyone.
(since you seem to like quoting the T&C)

If you have nothing to bring to the discussion but veiled insults and name calling, don't post. It's that simple.

Get it?

-B.



posted on May, 25 2004 @ 03:26 AM
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Thankyou patrius for your imput.Let's take a moment to look at what you've said.


By using this message board, you agree to the following:
1.) You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate.


First thankyou for mentioning our terms and conditions.The truth in this case is not known perhaps it will never be known therefore these posts are speculation not knowingly posted as false.


What kind of sheltered and demented life have you lived to actually believe that the US Governmnet hand anything to do with this.


Interesting,Presidents don't lie? Nixon didn't lie over Watergate,Clinton didn't lie about sexual relations,G.W.Bush didn't lie about Iraq involved in 9/11.What is more, deaths aren't covered up? Individuals aren't sacrificed for a "greater good".Your insistance that it didn't happen because..............it's unthinkable is naive in the extreme.It simply shows that the consequences of it being found to be true are too ghastly for you to consider.


Given that most elite organizations require training in the traditional education arena, be they military or intelligence there is an ingrained culture placed in those who operate in a clandestine fashion.


I'll be honest and say I don't understand this last sentence.I understand the content just not what you're trying to say.Is it that these organisations are too smart to make such fundemental errors?


Peach in Turkish is a curse word. Alasmaladik sounds like I lost my dick in english when it is a salutation.


If you've read the entire thread you will have seen that there have been contributions from arab speakers pointing out alternative translations of the comments made on the tape.The purpose of this thread is not to set out to prove anything just to discover the truth.


You guys are absolutely reaching. I don't come to this site but I am surfing at night doing research on the fanaticism on the website and I hit pay dirt with this stuff.


An interesting topic to research I'm sure.The political/psychological make up of this board simply reflects the make up of society as a whole.Occasionally,views might appear magnified that is because of the apparent coldness of written speech without the subtle nuances of physical contact and conversation.



Go back to playing dungeons and dragons and get over being a social outcast in high school.


This final remark was unfortunate.Having shown that you've read the Terms of this site you then ignore one of it's most important points.

It also shows a great deal of ignorance on your part that you assume (wrongly) who you are conversing with.

Now,I've addressed every point you have made.I wonder if you will answer one question for me?

Have you actually listened to the tape provided in the opening post of this thread ?

Or are you just giving your opinion from a position of ignorance and assumption.

JB1





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