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WAR: English Words and Western Voices Heard on Nick Berg Beheading Video

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posted on May, 20 2004 @ 04:43 PM
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look at the pics ace the base posted a page or two back and you will notice that none of bergs captors are showing there forearms....you know why???? there lily white forearms would show up !!!.....its hot in iraq .... and the other pics of prisoners in the other photos, there is at least one or more captors who have short sleeves.!!!!!

Now notice this....!!!! None of the berg captors are even able to where the face wraps they are wearing in the traditional way that the arabs wear them in the other pictures...!!!!!...go back and check out aces pics.!!!
since when do terrorists in hot iraq ....where ski masks..????....you got to be kidding me.!!!!

[Edited on 20-5-2004 by watcheroftheskies]

[Edited on 20-5-2004 by watcheroftheskies]




posted on May, 20 2004 @ 06:03 PM
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Has the question as to whether we have been working with the original tape been answered?

Also, what's the profile of someone who would say "How wicked was that"?

Young?
East Coast?

I dunno...I'm skeptical about this.




posted on May, 20 2004 @ 07:30 PM
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It seems that most of the time these people who do these terrorist acts are proud to be known and take credit for what they do. Of course in this case if they didn't wear anything to cover their heads and faces they would have immediatly been known and then captured...SO, I think this means that these men who did this don't want to be known because they are not who they want us to believe they are.

Nick Berg's father is totally blaming this on Bush and Rumsfeld...I wonder what he really knows.

...fin



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky "How wicked was that"?
"Wicked" is a slang that was popular in the 1980's, and is resurfacing (as far as I know) in the North East again. Particularly New England states.



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord


"Wicked" is a slang that was popular in the 1980's, and is resurfacing (as far as I know) in the North East again. Particularly New England states.

i can testify to that SO .....when we were in high school in the 80's that word surfaced.....it was like saying cool after cool was all wore out......and i was in the north east.....



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 08:37 PM
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Cypher,

I thought about EVP's as well.
I remember listening to them on a road trip one night.
Spooky sounding. But, if the Phonetic sounds are in just the right order, your brain or mine, makes a word out of it.
There was another recording phenomenon, called
"reverse speech". where supposedly people are unconsciously saying things that can only be heard when played backwords..

I also remember that one of the proponents of this backwords speech phenomenon, refused to play them, unless he was able to SAY OUT LOUD, what you were supposed to hear..

As far as the Berg Audio goes..I still hear a voice, but no phrase stands out to me..I still think the phrases exist,
in varied ways, only in the heads of the listeners.

And I've made dozens of attempts, speakers, headphones, in the car, loud, soft..you name it.
Sorry, I just don't hear it.



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 08:39 PM
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i can verify "wicked" is a slang term still commonly used around here. i don't think there is anything odd about that.

however i just viewed the whole video for the first time and what stuck out most odd for me was between the 'act' and the actual head being removed. i'm trying not to be too graphic, but what exactly took a minute between full cut and the actual removing?


d1k

posted on May, 20 2004 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
Has the question as to whether we have been working with the original tape been answered?

Also, what's the profile of someone who would say "How wicked was that"?

Young?
East Coast?

I dunno...I'm skeptical about this.



The video I posted is the original video that was on various but not so common websites a day after it hit the news, posted well before any of this hoax talk. Granted its not the original but its as close as we are going to get.



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 09:09 PM
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According to COOLEDIT PRO 2, the only english phrase on that tape is 'huh'? That's right, you are grasping.
Hiss reduction is a marvelous thing. I ran it through a noise gate and amplified it with two Peavey 18" cabinets lol. It is clearly Arabic - the language. Those words that I will concede sounded like your theory before I cleaned up the audio. Sorry to bust bubbles of the "there after us crowd" lol.

Vance



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 09:17 PM
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Vance... could you provide the resulting file? e-mail me at skepticoverlord@abovetopsecret.com and we'll make arrangements to get it into this thread. We're looking for truths, not confirmation of assumptions.



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 09:24 PM
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music playing in background: Metalica: Fade to Black

Originally posted by d1k

The video I posted is the original video that was on various but not so common websites a day after it hit the news, posted well before any of this hoax talk. Granted its not the original but its as close as we are going to get.


could you like post the video again. The one I have doesn't actually show the beheading. Their in position, then it's more like a long pause(the video freezes) with screaming, and then the video resumes with them holding the head in one hand.



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by websurfer
music playing in background: Metalica: Fade to Black

Originally posted by d1k

The video I posted is the original video that was on various but not so common websites a day after it hit the news, posted well before any of this hoax talk. Granted its not the original but its as close as we are going to get.


could you like post the video again. The one I have doesn't actually show the beheading. Their in position, then it's more like a long pause(the video freezes) with screaming, and then the video resumes with them holding the head in one hand.


It is posted here: **WARNING THIS LINK TAKES YOU TO GRAPHIC IMAGES AND DESCRIPTIONS**

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[Edited on 5-20-2004 by Valhall]



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 10:51 PM
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Spacedoubt and Yoda, thanks for the vote of confidence. I was beginning to think that I might be crazy because I couldn't hear the English phrases.


I was very interested in Spacedoubt's reference to the backwards speech. I wasn't aware of that specific claim, but it's a perfect example of what I was talking about. Also, do any of you remember the claims that hard rock bands were secretly inserting messages into their music? If you recall, they could only be heard if the record, (some of you remember records right?
) was played backwards. That again, was similar to this. It was another case were anomalous sounds had the right cadence and pitch to sound very much like English words and phrases. Of course in depth analysis eventually proved that there were no secret messages in the music, but many, many people were convinced that they had heard them.

I could probably find even more instances like those above, but if any one doesn't believe that this is a possibility in this case, then a page full of links wouldn't change their mind. For those of you who do concede that this may be a possibility, how can we find out for sure? Is there technology available that can compare the audio signatures of spoken words? Vance, I saw that you mentioned "Cool Edit Pro 2" but I'm not familiar with that software. Also, without you posting your data, your claims can't really be confirmed. So when you have a minute, can you please try to post your data? In the mean time, does anyone else have any suggestions?

-Cypher



posted on May, 21 2004 @ 12:26 AM
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I think it's pretty revealing that the FBI/CIA must have a connection here. I mean, with all their "experts" you would think that they would at least suspect that Nick Berg was killed at Abu Ghraib, or by our own military. If we, who don't even have near the sophisticated equipment that they do, can see the obvious evidence and hear the English language at the end, surely they would also. They must be involved.



posted on May, 21 2004 @ 12:36 AM
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So this unbelievable conspiracy was done by 6th graders? because that's who would have had to do it to do it so poorly.

Come on..........



posted on May, 21 2004 @ 12:54 AM
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Hello folks. What an outstanding thread and excellent discussion going on here. And yes I voted for this thread. I'm relatively new so don't hammer me too bad when I discuss my thoughts.
Unfortunately, I have not seen the entire video of the beheading or am I able to listen to the files in order to listen for English words. I do agree it is possible that this is a CIA or Mossad operation but I have another suggestion. Could Nick Berg have been murdered or his murder/beheading faked at Abu Ghraib prision by some of the soldiers from the same outfit(s) that were involved in the staged prision abuse photos? I mean we all agree that the video is very poorly made and edited very poorly...very amaturish. I know I was a video editor for 18+ years at our local NBC & FOX stations and for Time Warner Cable. I mean the same people behind staging the "abuse" photos and making sure they got released could very well have orchestrated the video. On many sites, especially Rense.com they have talked about all the obvious anomolies that scream westerners! The gold watch, the U.S. soldier style parade rest stance that some of the "extremists" were standing at, etc, etc. The prision uniform, the white chair, the staged and crappy way the video was edited, and the mistake of "English" words being left on the video all remind me of the cheesy, unprofessional-staged abuse photos. Now the CIA, Seals, Mossad or someone similar orchestared the whole mess with a group of regular army folks at the prision doing the dirty work. Nick Berg could have been killed prior to the beheading or is still alive but the whole thing could have happened right in the Abu Ghraib prision. I personally do not believe he was alive when he was beheaded. If they had still camera gear at the prision they could easily have had video gear also. Remember when Pvt. England was intervied on 60 Minutes? She implied or hinted that there was a lot more going on at that prison then we know of or may never know of. OK I know this was a long read. So if I sound ignorant....don't be too hard on me. LOL. Oh one last thing. On the subject of the news controlled....I believe it is but maybe not in a sinster conspiracy way but through trust and ignorance. I'll try to explain. When I worked at our local NBC station...a story would come down from AP or the network...it was read on air verbatim and the info was never questioned...it was good as "gospel". At the network level, the networks receive a good portion of their info for stories from govt press releases and/or conferences. I bet most of that is presented on the air as "gospel" verbatim without question then passed on down to the local news agencies as such. Keep this thread going..it is fantastic gang.



posted on May, 21 2004 @ 03:14 AM
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Vance, I too ran it through CEP2.1, also wavelab, which just gives a similar output, after repeated listening I could not grab anything discernable as english. What we need is someone who can speak arabic to have a play with it. The .wmv has already sucked in far too many noise reduction type sounds. Trying to sample it out the bg noise just made it worse.

If only it was a stereo image or there was a higher quality copy around. I really can't get it to sound like english, everyone I've shown has been unable to pick out anything either.



posted on May, 21 2004 @ 03:22 AM
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Forgot to mention though, I didn't have any luck clearing it up into a crisp sound, it really is already at too low a quality to make that very likely. It was more a matter of listening to it over and over with a variety of filters and different processing. Much like a digital image file that has been dropped too far down in quality, you can only bring it back so far. If it was higher quality it would be far easier to remove the background noise and drag what was said. But the autogain of the camera and artifacts produced by .wmv encoding make it extremely difficult. Perhaps higher end specialised voice extraction software might have better luck.



posted on May, 21 2004 @ 05:04 AM
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Originally posted by shameonbush999
I think it's pretty revealing that the FBI/CIA must have a connection here. I mean, with all their "experts" you would think that they would at least suspect that Nick Berg was killed at Abu Ghraib, or by our own military. If we, who don't even have near the sophisticated equipment that they do, can see the obvious evidence and hear the English language at the end, surely they would also. They must be involved.


I thought it was pretty odd that within a couple of days after the video was released the CIA came out with a 'we confirm it was Al-Zaqawi' who was the reader and the executioner in this film. The man who reads and performs the beheading goes into a deep knee bend during the beheading. Does Zaqawi have a fake leg or a bionic leg?!?



posted on May, 21 2004 @ 05:20 AM
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As a follow-up, it is interesting to note that one of the detainees from Abu Ghraib makes the following statement which has been reported in the Washington Post story Banshee has posted.


He said the soldiers told him that if he cooperated with interrogators they would release him in time for Ramadan. He said he did, but still was not released.


www.washingtonpost.com...

And I just find it more than a little disturbing that this comes to light when the following has been being discussed:

So these sick bastard MPs at Abu Ghraib have the whole world looking at them and what better way to divert attention away from the prisoner abuse issue than for Al-Qaeda to behead an American citizen? Oh wait! They had an American citizen. Mr. Berg's father has proof of that. The email from the diplomat in Iraq confirming that his son was in U.S. custody. When Mr. Berg received the email, him and his wife went and filed the lawsuit again Rumsfeld et. al. for illegally holding their son without charges. The next day they received a phone call from Nick Berg stating he had been released. Had he? Or had he been told that if he would assist in the staging of a video he WOULD be released, and by the way, go ahead and phone home and tell dad you're out.



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