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reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 10:58 PM by LordBucket
reply to post by bobbyboy




How does one define reality?


Reality is that which is observed.


How does one decide what is real and what is fake?


The observer may decide based on any criteria they choose. However, "real and not-real" is different than "real and fake." If it is observed, it is real, even if it is fake. If you see somebody wearing a witch costume, they may be a "fake witch" but the person in the costume is still real to anyone observing them. But, if you don't observe something at all, then it isn't "real" to you and any question of "fake" or not is irrelevant.


Are there spiritual forces at work that cause the things
that our oh-so-physical-oriented world cannot explain?


What's the difference between a "spiritual" force and a "physical" one?


What if you are wrong?


Explain to me how I am and I may reconsider.



[edit on 2-11-2009 by LordBucket]


reply posted on 3-11-2009 @ 12:54 AM by budro
It is relative to your environment, including and especially your mind.

Short and true story.

A friend and I went off one day, leaving suicide notes behind so no one would find us (yeah great idea) and decided to push life to the end. If necessary we were willing to die, come what may we did not care. Our intention was to find freedom, to just go where our feet led us, but the heavy drug induced idea we had hoped to realize was not, because our reality changed.

The most eccentric part of the experience was that it changed equally for both of us as we both saw, felt, understood and thought exactly the same thing.

As he would describe some thing he saw, I saw what he was pointing out, and vise versa. We saw demons in trees, people chasing us to trap and or kill us, voices in the woods etc... Many times we knew the other’s thoughts as we moved as if we were a small pack hunting prey, communicating by instinct. It was absolutely wild and exhilarating.

One of the most memorable events for me was while walking side by side I turned toward him as I pointed at his right shoulder and at the same time said “bird”. He ducked as a black bird swooped down by his shoulder from behind us. That happened in a fraction of a second and we were both looking forward before I turned toward him as if to warn him.?????

I still see these pictures in my mind as if it were yesterday but everything about my life today would argue that there was no way any of that experience happened. But for us it did happen.

I’ve never been psychic except for those few days where we left every care behind and marched off to find life thinking it would likely be found in death. We were both changed and I don’t care who you are you will not convince me that reality is what I think it is or what you think it is.

Reality is only for this instant and gone. It means nothing because as you try to grasp it you fail because it is not sustaining. While you observe it, it is changing and only a memory of the picture your mind created remains.

Your mind creates that picture based upon your input. Your mind also creates the limits, as I am a witness of, when you push away the limits (Not drug induced I nearly died!) the possibilities increase.

No preconceived notions…


reply posted on 3-11-2009 @ 01:17 AM by LordBucket
reply to post by YouAreDreaming




I'm inclined to place reality in the helm of the observer. Certainly objective reality is fine on it's own, but to the observer, reality only exists as a product of observation.


Yes.

For me, the is issue that even if there is an objective reality...we as observers would have no way to be aware of it except by our own observations...which by definition are subjective.

The whole idea of an objective reality simply isn't very useful. You might as well suggest that there's an invisible magic panda on the moon that nobody can ever see or hear or interact with. It might be true. But so what if it is?


reply posted on 3-11-2009 @ 03:08 PM by bobbyboy
reply to post by LordBucket



if it is true, then that means you are wrong. that means nothing you say can ever be trusted again. no one can prove you wrong, as it is YOUR reality, YOUR truth, YOUR mind. but, if someone did happen to attempt to prove you wrong, i think you (general) would choose to remain so ignorant as to not consider that possibility, as you feel safe in your own mind (most do). one can see a perception as their own. or you could be truthful with yourself. truth is real, as is reality (obviously). truth is also absolute, when considered correctly. it is just a matter of figuring out whose truth is correct.

and btw, drugs do not influence my thoughts or life, nor have they, nor will they. next time you want to try and bring some false accusation against me, make sure that you have your facts straight. then come against me, and i will be glad to defend myself when you have more useful knowledge of how things run with me.

[edit on 11/3/2009 by bobbyboy]


reply posted on 3-11-2009 @ 07:32 PM by LordBucket
reply to post by bobbyboy




if it is true, then that means you are wrong.


If what is true?


you (general) would choose to remain so ignorant as to not consider that possibility, as you feel safe in your own mind (most do). one can see a perception as their own. or you could be truthful with yourself.


What does safety have to do with this? How can I possibly be aware of something outside my perception? If I don't perceive it, if I'm not aware of it...how can you expect me to consider it?

What is it that you think I'm not being truthful with myself about?


next time you want to try and bring some false accusation against me


What accusation? Whare are you talking about? Quote me, please.


truth is also absolute, when considered correctly.


Ok. What is the "correct" way to consider it?


reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 05:13 PM by bobbyboy
reply to post by LordBucket



if anything you say is true turns out to be false. like i said, i was speaking in general terms.

one can know something without being totally aware of it. the unconscious mind tends to prove this everyday.

i was meaning that last part for the one called "kickflip". he/she accused me of doing drugs and i am highly against that and have never and will never do such things.

and as for the correct way of viewing reality, i (personally) believe that God's view is truth. anything He says should not be taken lightly, but should be what we consider to be true. the only problem is, He didn't address all of life's problems in the Bible. problems we run into everyday.
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