African desert rift confirmed as new ocean in the making!, page 3
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reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 04:03 PM by sphinx551



reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 04:10 PM by Solenki
reply to post by kiwifoot



Oh GOD
Since i've been reading ATS I've always read some crazy things about geology, and being a geologist is almost heartbreaking.

1. Stop with the expending earth... with enough time i'll demonstrate you why it's impossible, and proof of the earth being a whole solid body but well, it's already late here (i'm in france), so maybe next time.

2. about the rifting :
first, you have to have a source of heat juste beneath the crust. This source of heat is generally a magma plume, comming up because of archimed's law and will induce a diminution in the crust thickness. Just like if you were melting a layer of plastic from beneath.

then Volcanism appears, is our case, this is the nexte step commine ahead.

After volcanism, extenstion makes it's move, this is when the rifting really occur.
Then, you began to have a separation, this is the full rifting process, each border of the rift are separating, creating normal faults and the crust keep getting thinner.

As the borders or lips, of the rift are separating, a sedimentary basin is being created, and sediments beguns to accumulate.
this accumulation will add a weigh on rocks, creating Subsidence (search it!), basically, the basin will sink because of the weight and because of the heat (this is how you create petroleum, by getting rich organic matter rocks deeper, and you know that deeper you are, hotter it is, so organic matter can be cracked into hydrocarbures).


Then, as the bottom of the rift is getting deeper, it will pass under the Mean Sea Level, so, water will flood it creating a sea.

Next step, if the extension goes on, you will have an ocean. End of the story.

the way the crust is getting thinner will be the main setting to know if the rift will pursue is opening or not.
We calcul a shortening factor (beta) with the lenght of the crust, if this factor is less than a certain number, rifting will not continue.


3. So yeah, having a rifting will modify the sea level, we call it "tectono-eustatisme" here in France, don't know how to say it in english, sorry guys.

Being simple, as you modify the basin configuration, you will have an effect on the mean sea level.
By the way you can also modify the volume of the ocean...
How ? simply by activating the oceanics rifts, you will then create more oceanic crust thus you change the volume of ocean, more volume for the same amout of water = decreasing sea levels.

For the one wondering why rifting is usually observed in deep sea, juste remeber that rifting always begins into the continent, then lead to the formation of a sea, and then at last to the formation of an ocean.
Search for Wilson Cycle, you will understand how it works globaly.

Finally, for those still giving the old propaganda of the hollow earth and the earth in expansion, please, read some more about plate tectonics, subduction, collision and wilson cycle. I just can stand those people, they are creationist for me. No offence, it's juste that all the creastionist I've encountered were narrow minded about scientific fact.

I hope my explaination was clear, sorry I do what I can in english and I'm in a kind of hurry to go sleeping at last.

Don't hestitate if you have questions, I may not be the best geologist, but I can surely help understand.

bye ATS I love reading you before sleeping !


reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 04:16 PM by kiwifoot
Originally posted by Solenki
reply to
post by kiwifoot



Oh GOD
Since i've been reading ATS I've always read some crazy things about geology, and being a geologist is almost heartbreaking.

1. Stop with the expending earth... with enough time i'll demonstrate you why it's impossible, and proof of the earth being a whole solid body but well, it's already late here (i'm in france), so maybe next time.

2. about the rifting :
first, you have to have a source of heat juste beneath the crust. This source of heat is generally a magma plume, comming up because of archimed's law and will induce a diminution in the crust thickness. Just like if you were melting a layer of plastic from beneath.

then Volcanism appears, is our case, this is the nexte step commine ahead.

After volcanism, extenstion makes it's move, this is when the rifting really occur.
Then, you began to have a separation, this is the full rifting process, each border of the rift are separating, creating normal faults and the crust keep getting thinner.

As the borders or lips, of the rift are separating, a sedimentary basin is being created, and sediments beguns to accumulate.
this accumulation will add a weigh on rocks, creating Subsidence (search it!), basically, the basin will sink because of the weight and because of the heat (this is how you create petroleum, by getting rich organic matter rocks deeper, and you know that deeper you are, hotter it is, so organic matter can be cracked into hydrocarbures).


Then, as the bottom of the rift is getting deeper, it will pass under the Mean Sea Level, so, water will flood it creating a sea.

Next step, if the extension goes on, you will have an ocean. End of the story.

the way the crust is getting thinner will be the main setting to know if the rift will pursue is opening or not.
We calcul a shortening factor (beta) with the lenght of the crust, if this factor is less than a certain number, rifting will not continue.


3. So yeah, having a rifting will modify the sea level, we call it "tectono-eustatisme" here in France, don't know how to say it in english, sorry guys.

Being simple, as you modify the basin configuration, you will have an effect on the mean sea level.
By the way you can also modify the volume of the ocean...
How ? simply by activating the oceanics rifts, you will then create more oceanic crust thus you change the volume of ocean, more volume for the same amout of water = decreasing sea levels.

For the one wondering why rifting is usually observed in deep sea, juste remeber that rifting always begins into the continent, then lead to the formation of a sea, and then at last to the formation of an ocean.
Search for Wilson Cycle, you will understand how it works globaly.

Finally, for those still giving the old propaganda of the hollow earth and the earth in expansion, please, read some more about plate tectonics, subduction, collision and wilson cycle. I just can stand those people, they are creationist for me. No offence, it's juste that all the creastionist I've encountered were narrow minded about scientific fact.

I hope my explaination was clear, sorry I do what I can in english and I'm in a kind of hurry to go sleeping at last.

Don't hestitate if you have questions, I may not be the best geologist, but I can surely help understand.

bye ATS I love reading you before sleeping !


THANKYOU!

That was what we needed, someone with a knowledge of this!

Oh, edit to ask, have you got an approximate time-scale for this?

Is it worth buying beach side property now?

[edit on 2-11-2009 by kiwifoot]


reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 04:17 PM by InfiniteOmnipresence
reply to post by Solenki



Thanks for the input. Glad to hear we've got someone EDUCATED on board!

To stop me from my outlandish and ignorant idea's. Seriously tho, thanks for clarifying this subject. I'm very interested in seeing if this sea will ever form.

However, I really do believe the Earth is expanding/growing just like everything else. No proof, no evidence, just a belief.

Omni

[edit on 2-11-2009 by InfiniteOmnipresence]


reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 04:18 PM by sharps
reply to post by kiwifoot



I know how you feel. I often find myself deciding against starting a scientific thread for those reasons. I'm big into following the latest science news. I can't wait each week for my New Scientist to drop through the letter box, it's exactly how I used to feel waiting for The Beano (a comic) as a kid.

This new ocean stuff is fascinating, I saw a docu on the BBC less than 2 months back that was discussing this exact situation. Of course as has already been said this isn't likely to happen for millions of years without human help. This could bring forth all sorts of fossil, mineral, and archaeological finds. It might even reveal floating tectonic plates of the sort theorised by those that believe that US Navy Subs can travel under the continental US.

In regard to changes in ocean levels there are scenarios where either outcome is possible, what with aquifers, water displacement, salinity, and temperature. However I would hazard a guess that it's much more likely to have little or no effect because you are just moving land masses around and not creating entirely new water storage capacity.

I mentioned earlier about this taking millions of years without human help. This brings up another subject that fascinates me:

Geoengineering.

One of the first conspiracies I really took notice of was about the 'Earthquake Machine' that was supposedly tested in the Aussie outback by that Japanese cult that gassed the subways. We have the technology for some pretty significant geoengineering now, the question is due you believe governments and corporations are capable of using these technologies for nefarious purposes.


reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 04:23 PM by kiwifoot
reply to post by sharps



hey mate have can you recall the Documentary's name?

That 'earthquake machine' sounds crazy.. but I've heard of stranger things on ATS that have a grounding in reality!


reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 04:39 PM by nikiano
reply to post by kiwifoot




Makes me t hink of the expanding earth theory...maybe it's getting ready to expand again.


reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 06:08 PM by arizonascott
reply to post by kiwifoot



This is a little off topic. I am relating this story to my question simply because of recent extreme Earth changes and items like this subject here that you have presented. Subjects that are not discussed much.

Has anyone done a study on plate movement and earthquakes in relation to ground saturation. If rain constantly weighs down over time on a particular plate and in the same area, does that water saturation have an effect on the movement or slide of the plate.

In the same sense, couldn't the Earth also shift water or create a land rift in an arid area that needs balance and more saturation?

A bigger picture is forming that the World that we live on "is" actually alive and its own entity.

Any real answers would be awesome. This is something I have been curious about for some time now.
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