Originally posted by logican
reply to post by ufoptics

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Thanks, could you post the link? I don't think I'm going to be joining the "crazy people" anytime soon but should I see any evidence which points to a conspiracy on the vaccine I may change my mind as any good scientist would. However, I would point out that pharma's making money or being devious isn't really a conspiracy. I'm talking about there being a nefarious reason why the PTB want people to take/not take the vaccine. That, after all seems to be the main thrust of the opposition to a vaccine.

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman

Originally posted by logican
reply to post by ufoptics

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Actually, that's not the main thrust of my opposition to it. My reason is that there has not been enough time to properly test this vaccine. No matter what they might say they know, there is no way that they could know what all side effects this vaccine may have. They certainly didn't do a good job of it in 1976, now did they? That coupled with the fact that I've not really seen this flu to be any more virulent than the regular flu - and I never get that vaccine either.

Ok, thats all very well but let's not move away from the video, let's get that out the way first, ok? It was a terribly propogandist piece that someone as eloquent as yourself should have not included in this discussion. As for your main thrust being not enough time to properly test the vaccine then that is really a different topic. There you can use facts and figures, statistics and first hand account without resorting to that awfull video.

Also, since you mention 1976 but not really stating exactly what you mean and H1N1 seemingly not to be any worse than regular flu could you further clarify what your point is?

Flu Vaccine and Bell’s Palsy

Bell's palsy is a common neurologic disorder that accounts for up to 75% of all peripheral facial palsies. Although the etiology of Bell's palsy is not clear, one of the theories put forward involves an autoimmune etiology. Following the introduction of newly licensed intranasal influenza vaccine in Switzerland in October 2000, 46 cases of Bell's palsy were noted among people who received the vaccine. The situation warranted a thorough investigation to determine if there is any association between influenza vaccine and Bell's palsy in which VSD researchers are currently conducting a case-control study. As part of the study, researchers will identify people with Bell's palsy who are members of HMOs participating in the VSD project. At each participating site, medical records of persons will Bell's palsy will be reviewed to assess exposure to influenza vaccine, hepatitis B vaccine, Td vaccine, and other vaccines. Final analyses calculating the relative risk of Bell's palsy following vaccination as well as the incidence of Bell's palsy among vaccinated and unvaccinated populations have been conducted.

The manuscript for this study is currently under development.

MMR Vaccine and ITP

Idiopathic thrombocytopenia purpura (ITP) is an acquired disease that is caused by the destruction or impaired production of platelets. In children who are otherwise healthy, the acute onset of thrombocytopenia is commonly characterized as ITP. Over the last several years, there has been growing concern that the live virus MMR vaccination is associated with an increased incidence of ITP. Previous studies have demonstrated a significant risk of ITP following receipt of MMR vaccination, however, they were based on small populations. To better quantify the relationship between MMR vaccination and ITP, VSD researchers are currently investigating the association in a large cohort of children. Researchers will use inpatient, outpatient, and laboratory data to identify children with a diagnosis of ITP during a specific period of time. Medical charts will then be reviewed to verify cases of ITP and collect information on vaccination history. Analyses will be performed to assess the risk of ITP following MMR vaccination.

Final analyses are currently being conducted for this study.

Thimerosal and Autism

In response to public concerns, VSD researchers have begun a case-control study to examine the association between thimerosal and autism rigorously. The study aims to determine whether exposure to thimerosal in infancy or in utero is related to development of autism. The study will also evaluate whether exposure to thimerosal in infancy is related to development of the subclass of autism predominantly associated with regression. As part of the study, researchers will use automated data and registries to identify children with autism (cases) and without autism (controls). In-person examinations, telephone interviews, medical chart reviews, and immunization tracking systems will be used to collect information on vaccine history and other possible covariates. Recommended by the Institute of Medicine, this VSD study will be the first rigorous, epidemiological study conducted on the issue of thimerosal and autism. Data from this VSD study should provide the best available scientific information on whether a causal association between exposure to thimerosal and the development of autism is possible.

This study is in the data collection phase.

Thimerosal and Neurodevelopment

CDC conducted the Infant and Environmental Exposures to Thimerosal and Neuropsychological Outcomes at Ages 7 to 10 Years study to investigate possible associations between prenatal and early childhood exposure to thimerosal-containing vaccines and/or immunoglobulins and deficits in neuropsychological functioning. Thimerosal is a preservative that contains ethyl mercury and is used in some vaccines and immunoglobulins.

This study was not designed to assess possible association between thimerosal and autism.

Yellow Fever Vaccine

In June 2001, seven cases of yellow fever vaccine-associated viscerotropic disease (previously called multiple organ system failure) in recipients of 17D-derived yellow fever vaccine were reported. The ACIP reviewed these cases, recommended enhanced surveillance for adverse events, and updated the ACIP statement on yellow fever vaccine. An additional report in MMWR provided two new suspected cases of yellow fever-associated viscerotropic disease and four suspected cases of yellow fever-associated neurotropic disease (previously called past-vaccinal encephalitis). Although yellow fever vaccine remains essential for travelers to yellow fever endemic areas, these findings underscore the need for enhanced surveillance and timely clinical assessment of yellow fever vaccine-associated disease. In collaboration with the Department of Defense, VSD investigators are conducting epidemiologic studies involving the databases and records systems of the VSD, the Air Force and the Navy to study hospitalized viscerotropic and neurotropic events associated with yellow fever vaccine.

Data collection is currently underway for this study.

Diphtheria-Containing Vaccines

Three vaccines currently recommended for adolescents (Tdap, Td, and Menactra meningococcal conjugate vaccine) contain diphtheria toxoid and result in a diphtheria antibody response. While the safety of individual diphtheria-containing vaccines has been evaluated, less is known regarding the safety of administration of two or more of these vaccines, either simultaneously or sequentially. Local injection site reactions are the primary adverse event of concern with administration of multiple diphtheria toxoid-containing vaccines. The primary aim of this VSD study is to assess the occurrence of relatively severe local reactions, defined as medically-attended reactions, in adolescents and young adults with varying patterns of receipt of diphtheria toxoid-containing vaccines. In addition, the occurrence of illnesses possibly indicative of a hypersensitivity response to vaccination will be identified. The study will involve collection of information from administrative data, with chart review confirmation of presumptive cases.

Data collection is currently underway for this study.

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by logican

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Only page I could find on the CDC site. You are deflecting. I was only saying in my first post that I like to go to the sites from the "Experts" and see what I can find.

I am not all knowing(though sometimes I like to think so) but the very fact that research on vaccine problems just do not seem to get anywhere. Why is it they have no research on the 76 vaccine debacle. That is all I am trying to say.

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