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The CAUSE of the Obesity Epidemic Is SALT (The Weightloss Secret)

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posted on Nov, 3 2009 @ 06:20 PM
Hey great work peoples one of the most informative topic threads I have ever read at ATS S&F
I have also reprogrammed myself in my lifestyle and what I eat over 3 years ago now. Like the Sages always say,
"Have balance to all things in life; not to much of this and not to much of that will keep one healthy young and carefree"
Thank you

posted on Nov, 3 2009 @ 06:44 PM
There's some truth to the op's post - salt often causes fluid retention and other complications. There's way too much sodium in everything, just try eating Campbell's soup.

Didn't eat it for years, tried some a few months back, almost threw up because of the huge sodium content. It's in way too many products. But the whole Asian bias - white rice etc - of the op is misinformed.

Anybody who's ever lived in Asia knows that in countries like Japan and Korea which claim that their diet is so healthy, the white rice has zero nutritional value. Yep, ZERO. Their rice is also grown by over use of chemicals. You might as well eat McDonald's rather than rice - at least the cheese and a small portion of the meat will offer you more nutrition than white rice.

Other Asian countries have good rice and fiber in their food. Thai food, Malaysian food and other Asian countries have really health food especially the vegetables.

But again Japan and Korea do all sorts of # with their vegetables so in the end you may as well eat fast food. They put unhealthy sauces over many food items that would taste okay with out them (a hangover from when they were poor and were eating food that was bad) and their fermented food is just horrible.

Kimchi - great if you like stomach cancer and permanent indigestion problems. Salt, salt, salt. Fermentation - riddled with cancer producing agents.

The Koreans and Japanese put lots of sugar in their cooking no matter what they're cooking, they put more sugar in bread than what is the norm in the US and Europe etc. AND they put a ton of salt in many foods and soups.

You know why there aren't so many big people in East Asian countries? It's genetics. They have smaller bones and smaller frames. Even if the US wasn't getting to be a big size country as the norm, the middle size frame is still normal for people of European ancestry. In Asia middle size is 'fat', in the US middle size is reasonably slim. Some healthy people have big inner thighs and outer thighs because of all the walking and running they do.

There's also a romanticisation of the so called 'thin' Asians. Again Japanese and Koreans give you a good example. Some look great with their thin bodies, others like girls and women starve themselves for years, eating tiny portions for meals.

Frankly some of them look weird and malnourished. Oddly enough, there are a lot of flabby Japanese and Koreans who have the general appearance of thin. There are also a growing number of them who are overweight. Old people in Japan and Korea often are stumpy and flabby.

People need to travel more. Last point - cancer rates are very high in Japan and Korea. In Japan there's a custom of hiding cancer rates - often patients are not told they have cancer and die without knowing it. But cancer rates for the stomach and the disgestive system in Japan and Korea are very high. They mightn't be dying of heart disease but having cancer is just as bad.

posted on Nov, 4 2009 @ 01:31 AM
"Lose weight now, Stop all salt intake".

Please, weight loss\gain is a lot more complex then that. I've seen people eat 4,000 calorie's a day with all the processed foods, fats and sweets your heart could desire. And never once gain a pound of weight. Others eat a cal restricted diet with natural healthy foods only, and get fat.

You want the secret to longevity, Don't ask a diet guru. Ask the Centurion themselves. (BTW- Some Centurions have always been obese.) And they will simply tell you the secret of longevity is "activity". They spend their whole life eating "Bad" food, yet lived to 100. Why? Simple because unlike most Americans, they actually had to work hard for a living, and they never stopped "working". When they stop working, then they die.

Want to know why people live longer in other countries. Its because they are still allowed to function in society, they stay active, and help the youth of the world with their wisdom

America worships the youth, and locks the elderly away in concentration camps called Nursing homes. Age is not venerated, instead its despised, feared and loathed. We spend trillions of dollars to look young, yet age gets us in the end. And we embrace stupid fads like "no salt diets" While ignoring wisdom from the elderly who are wise in the ways of reality. They know the secrets of longevity, not some 20 year "fruits and nuts" guy who is peddling the newest fad for profit- exp "noni juice."

Fun fact- the maximum amount of salt a person should eat in a day is about 2\3rds a teaspoon. The ave american eats about two teaspoons a day. Or if its bacon, Your salt limit would be one strip of bacon, the ave amercian eats three strips of Bacon. A favorite food for centurions. BTW.

posted on Nov, 4 2009 @ 06:43 AM
Another theory I have is that low sodium foods shrink your stomach leading you to eat much less over time. It's possible that this happens based on two factors:

Excess fluids are released out of the stomach tissue, causing shrinkage
Since low sodium foods and sweating help release salts and excess water out of the body's tissues causing a tightening effect that many body builders utilize to see more definition days before a competition, it could then be determined that it would have a similar effect on internal tissues that have expanded and become bloated with fluids. As these excess fluids leave these internal tissues, they would then contract back to a normal size. This should in turn cause shrinkage in the stomach tissue, further contributing to a decrease in appetite and a lower percieved level to feel full. For those that have said the stomach can't shrink, scientists and doctors have pointed out that after stomach related surgeries for weight loss, there are occurences of the stomach tissue stretching and expanding, leading to a possible weight gain. Therefore if it's possible to stretch and expand, it would therefore be possible to contract and shrink.

Low sodium foods will weigh less (retain less fluids), causing less stretching
Outside of the effects of the stomach tissue lining shrinking, low sodium foods may also weigh less or not be as heavy inside the stomach! If you consider the fact that higher sodium foods would draw more fluids to neutralize the effects of the sodium, any high sodium foods in the stomach and intestines should then draw and retain more fluids with them causing them to weigh more heavily! This may cause a hanging effect in the stomach from the weighing down of the high sodium food that stretches the stomach down. This may then create more air space from the stretching down in weight, allowing for more food to be stacked on top! This may contribute to the fact that eating a lot of fruit always rests lighter internally versus eating a lot of bread, pasta, pizza, etc.

So it's possible low sodium foods help shrink the stomach by releasing excess fluids from the stomach lining causing the stomach to shrink. Even if the stomach tissue shrinks, it should still have the capacity to expand but by not as much as before. Low sodium food would then cause it to expand less. So it could lead to a smaller stomach that isn't pushed to it's full expansion point as much. This may correlate to a reduced need to eat as much to feel full.

[edit on 4-11-2009 by Colopatiron]

posted on Nov, 4 2009 @ 07:49 AM
"It may have come into human use as a food preservative because of its toxic effect on micro-organisms." "the natural sodium content of food is low."

"The average American consumes about 7 pounds of sodium chloride each year and more than 500 pounds over the course of a lifetime!"

raw sodium in water

[edit on 4-11-2009 by Colopatiron]

posted on Nov, 4 2009 @ 08:24 AM
Interesting comments on sodium chloride (table salt)...

Inorganic sodium chloride upsets your fluid balance and constantly overburdens your elimination systems, which can impair your health.

When your body tries to isolate the overdose of refined salt you typically expose it to, water molecules must surround the sodium chloride molecules to break them up into sodium and chloride ions in order to help your body neutralize them. To accomplish this, water is taken from your cells, and you have to sacrifice the water stored in your cells in order to neutralize the unnatural sodium chloride. This results in dehydrated cells that die prematurely.

Refined table salt contains added iodine, which may indeed have helped eliminate the incidence of endemic goiter, but has conversely increased the incidence of hypothyroidism.

Refined table salt lacks all trace minerals.

Refined salt contains anticaking agents such as ferrocyanide, yellow prussiate of soda, tricalcium phosphate, alumine-calcium silicate, sodium aluminosilicate. All work by preventing the salt from mixing with water, both inside the box and inside the human body. This prevents the salt from doing one of its important functions in the organism: regulating hydration.

Fish survive by excreting large amounts of salt through their gills. Humans excrete salt through their kidneys. But there is only so much salt that can be urinated away, and salt-sensitive individuals excrete less sodium than normal.

If the body can't reduce the salt, the next best way to hit the right level is to increase the amount of water. This causes the body's extremities to swell up.

If you're not drinking enough water, the body finds the extra water it needs by robbing its own cells. In extreme cases, neurons shrink and begin to stretch; brain and spinal membranes may begin hemorrhaging. The brain shrinks. Too high a concentration of salt in the body can lead to irritability, muscle twitching, seizures, brain damage, coma, and sometimes death. Usually, though, the results aren't quite so drastic.
Dr. Myron Weinberger, an Indiana University medical school professor who authored the salt sensitivity study, says that given the "horrendous excess of salt that we end up with every day," some individuals can't get rid of it all, especially those born with subtle kidney problems that may go undiagnosed. Part of the problem is the chemical attraction between sodium and water.

High levels of sodium in the diet combined with low water consumption leads to hypertension. "Every grain of salt that is retained in the body carries with it 20 times its weight in water which increases the (amount of) fluid in circulation," Weinberger said. "If you think of the blood vessels as piping, as you push more fluid in them, then the pressure goes up."


[edit on 4-11-2009 by Colopatiron]

posted on Nov, 4 2009 @ 08:55 AM
Too much salt can lead to a potassium deficiency (Hypokalemia)

What events can indicate a need for more high-potassium foods?
Muscle weakness
Heart problems
Chronic diarrhea
Regular, intense exercise
Use of certain diuretics

Moderate hypokalemia symptoms may include:
Muscle weakness
Cramps during exercise
Leg discomfort when sitting still

Severe hypokalemia symptoms may include:
Extreme weakness
Trouble breathing
Abnormal heartbeat (arrhythmia)

[edit on 4-11-2009 by Colopatiron]

posted on Nov, 4 2009 @ 10:22 AM
"A current theory is that a dangerous level of salt toxicity can cause the body to produce more fat cells. And those sodium toxic fat cells can be denser and more difficult to get rid of."

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