It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Twenty-Five Reasons to Doubt

page: 6
12
<< 3  4  5   >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 05:23 AM
link   
reply to post by Titen-Sxull
 

Simple Bible Quiz Answer #4

Do you have the references for the Israelites taking slaves?

I need to examine the era and circumstances before offering an answer.

#4.1 Numbers 31:17-18 is connected to the breeding of hybrids...
...and I think you will find they were meant to kill all of them...
...and that this comes back to haunt them later.



[edit on 4/12/09 by troubleshooter]




posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 05:39 AM
link   
reply to post by Titen-Sxull
 

Simple Quiz Answer #5

I will let C.S.Lewis answer this...

"The Book of Job appears to me unhistorical because it begins about a man quite unconnected with all history or even legend, with no genealogy, living in a country of which the Bible elsewhere has hardly anything to say; because, in fact, the author quite obviously writes as a storyteller not as a chronicler."

Amazing piece of work and one of the oldest manuscripts known to man...
...it makes me proud to be a human.

You should take the time to read it right through...you will learn much from this sublime story...
...the older I get the more sense it makes.




posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 05:57 AM
link   
reply to post by Titen-Sxull
 

Simple Bible Quiz Answer #6

No scholar would argue that Genesis was written first...
...Moses wrote the five books of Moses sometime post-Exodus...
...about 430 years after the promise to Abraham, during the forty years wandering and about 1500 years before Jesus.

It is a preamble to the law which described the 'social engineering' of Israel to cocoon them as a nation that would survive 'till the seed should come" Galatians 3:19

The flood was necessary to destroy the critical mass of hybrids bred up from the interaction of the ‘Sons of God’ mentioned in Genesis 6:...
...which was the beginning of the ‘Nephyl’ (translated ‘giants’).

Genesis 6:9 “Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations…

Meaning Noah’s genetics were complete…ie Noah’s genetics were not corrupted…
…he was not a hybrid...
...that's why he was preserved and the rest were culled.




posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 06:08 AM
link   
reply to post by Titen-Sxull
 

Quiz Answer #7

There is no way to prove or disprove the ages of people pre-flood.




posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 06:21 AM
link   
reply to post by Titen-Sxull
 

Quiz Questtion #8

If they were literally going to reach to heaven why would they have built it on a plain...
...why not start on a mountain?

Could the 'Tower of Babel' have been a portal device or StarGate?




posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 02:56 PM
link   

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by Jordan River
 



this statement in particular prompted me to add you to my foes list. From the Is the Rapture coming thread.


My target is on the atheist and your agendas online. All you do is try to crush faith through logic


simply because I believe if there is a God logic would be a method to find Him not to defeat him, so deriding atheists for using logic seems silly. Science and logic should not be enemies of God, if he is real they would only make him more apparent. Don't take it personally I add people to my foes list on impulse based on sometimes just a few sentences and in fact several foes that used to be on my list ended up being my friends...

I have not given up on spirituality or the idea of God entirely. I consider myself an agnostic. I think if God exists it is not in the way we think of him or assume him to exist, human perception of God, laid out in religion, is flawed.

Be assured that if God had revealed himself to me back when I was a Christian I would still be a believer regardless of the "Sways of man". But no such Revelation has taken place and until it does, or until science verifies God, I remain an agnostic more or less shrugging my shoulders but at the same time trying to free people's minds from the prison bars of religion that hold them back.

[edit on 4-12-2009 by Titen-Sxull]


I was an agnostic as well. before that satanist. lol. anywho. you do have a valid point like i said earlier. I just wish you would take a look at yourself on a concious level. compare yourself to an animal and a dog. a monkey and a human. I think this confirms the idea of a God in all of us. confirming that through the idea of a spirit. searching through technology to find the God particle. Stephan hawkings has said that he may believe in a God and if he does exist we don't need him anymore. Thats from a scientist point of view. I assure you religion isn't all that Good at all. too many guilt trips, minipulation of the bible, secret text being hidden. I could go on and on. Extortion. This fatal flaw shouldn't disconnect your understanding of the hebrew. although it should be a challenge. Christ would claim that the religion today is now a pharisse part 2. THe jewish order was fubar and now the christian order is fubar. But it's something you have to find in your spirit. that minty feeling in the center of your chest when you get a lot of positive coming in your life. thats why I feel drawn to Him.

again science can only explain this dimension. our earth. nothing beyond. Whats beyond being a human? Were all made up of energy.protons etc etc beyond that? the spirit. We can never explain ourselves on a sub atomic level much less beyond that. it has been done but it's pretty difficult to wrap your mind around it.



posted on Dec, 4 2009 @ 03:51 PM
link   
i made a mistake. don't know how to delete this post i made


[edit on 4-12-2009 by Jordan River]



posted on Dec, 5 2009 @ 12:34 AM
link   
reply to post by spy66
 


No, my problem is with the Bible stating God is all good but then showing him doing horrific things.

I don't care who those kid's parents were or whether some of them were mean little brats or any of that because God does not kill children. That is not the characteristic of a loving and merciful God and therefore it is not something God ever did, it's made up. And it's okay to admit it's made up, because if God is real I'm sure he doesn't want to be made out to be a child murderer by some book of fairy tales.

Flaw 3: So what you're saying is that God advocates the wanton slaughter of anyone who is not a Christian or Jew? Basically what you're saying is that God has ZERO religious tolerance and wants anyone who doesn't serve him dead. Gee, what a nice merciful guy


What really happened was that the leaders of the Israelites wanted various peoples dead, so they claimed God was on their side and that God had ordered these horrible murderous wars they went on and when the Israelite soldiers were unsure about killing kids all the leaders had to do was say "the Lord commands it"... we all know the Lord would never command such a thing.



posted on Dec, 5 2009 @ 12:42 AM
link   
reply to post by troubleshooter
 


You clearly believe the book of Enoch version of things. Enoch and other books have always bothered me and bolstered my belief that the Bible was incomplete and therefore imperfect. Did they leave it out to hide the truth? Or was more a marketing ploy by the makers of the Bible?

Anyway thanks for taking the time to respond, much of what you said makes sense but in the end I'm not sure how much we can really learn from a book with as many flaws as the Bible has, there is wisdom there but how much nonsense does one have to wade through to find it.



posted on Dec, 5 2009 @ 01:30 AM
link   

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by troubleshooter
 


You clearly believe the book of Enoch version of things. Enoch and other books have always bothered me and bolstered my belief that the Bible was incomplete and therefore imperfect. Did they leave it out to hide the truth? Or was more a marketing ploy by the makers of the Bible?

I found all the Nephyl info in the biblical manuscripts before every reading The Book of Enoch.

Discomfort with the Watcher/Nephyl story is probably the reason for The Book of Enoch being self out of the western canon...
...although it is still part of the Ethiopian canon.

Following the birth of Jesus the amount of breeding seems to have declined...
...although there are still persistant stories of Leprechaun's, Elves, Fairies, Big Foot etc in some cultures...
...the UFO, abduction, breeding stories that have increased since about the forties seem to be preparing for a new round of activity...
...this time within the Alien Hypothesis.

All of this is in the biblical manuscripts, only the names have changed.


Anyway thanks for taking the time to respond, much of what you said makes sense but in the end I'm not sure how much we can really learn from a book with as many flaws as the Bible has, there is wisdom there but how much nonsense does one have to wade through to find it.

On ATS the most controversial issues get the most view, flags and replies...
...the least controversial are ignored.

While the bible has been 'spiritualized' in modern Christianity...
...I also think the Christian religion has played a role in keeping the stories and witness alive...
...if you want something to go away you ignore it...
...but by Christianity debating theology, doctrine and other issues...
...the content of the manuscripts have been keep alive through conflict.

Israel did not know what all the ceremonies and laws meant...
...but in maintaining them they kept the witness alive until it was fulfilled.

Similarly Christendom has kept the manuscripts current by conflict...
...and they are here now to guide us through the end events that are currently unfolding.

What God achieved by the isolation of Israel...
...He has achieved in Christendom by debate, conflict and division.

God is very clever...
...Paul said, "...the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men." 1 Corinthians 1:25

With God things are not always what they seem.



[edit on 5/12/09 by troubleshooter]



posted on Dec, 5 2009 @ 01:49 AM
link   
reply to post by Titen-Sxull
 

Quiz Answer #9

The Book of Enoch was not lost only marginalized...
....it has always been included in the Ethiopian Canon...
...and it is available now when we need it...
...not lost in some museum's basement.




posted on Dec, 5 2009 @ 02:02 AM
link   
reply to post by Titen-Sxull
 

Quiz Question #10

‘Thou shalt not kill’ is a mistranslation.
It should read ‘Thou shalt not murder’.

Even our 'enlightened' culture makes a distinction between murder/manslaughter and killing an enemy under orders or in self defence.




posted on Dec, 5 2009 @ 02:49 AM
link   
reply to post by Titen-Sxull
 

Quiz Answer #11:

The circumstance of Sodom and Gomorrah is an interesting one.

Have you ever wondered why the inhabitants of the city were keen to sexually engage the two ‘men’ who visit Lot but don’t seem interested in either Lot or his sons-in-law?

Was this simply the lusting of homosexuals for a couple of strangers?

Lot’s visitors were unfallen Watchers...
...but if Sodom’s inhabitants were familiar with ‘angel sex’ and recognised the identity of the strangers mistook them for fallen Watchers and were anticipating a familiar sexual encounter with them.

This fits with the events outlined in Genesis 14:
There is slaughter of surrounding tribes that are clearly ‘Nephyl’...

“And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim … the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah fled, and fell there; and they that remained fled to the mountain. Genesis 14:5, 10

These tribes were not human but as described elsewhere were some kind of hybrid.

The cleaning out of these tribes and kings is set in historical preparation for the Lord’s covenant with Abraham and Sarah.

These tribes were bred to frustrate the preservation of ‘the world of men’...
...just as they were pre-flood.

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that. Genesis 6:4

A homosexual myth formed around the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah...
...but it is more likely it was a breeding centre for the Nephyl...
...and that is the reason it was destroyed.




posted on Dec, 5 2009 @ 03:51 AM
link   
reply to post by Titen-Sxull
 

Quiz Answer #12

If you actually read the Abraham and Isaac story without prejudice you will get the impression that Abraham knew the Lord was indulging in a bit of theatre...
...as a rehearsal of a future event that would happen on this same mountain.

Q: Do you know the name of the location where this happened?
A: A mount in “…the land of Moriah” Genesis 22:2

The temple in Jerusalem was built on Mount Moriah much later…
…Jesus was crucified on Mount Moriah to the north-west of the temple mount…
…so Abraham’s offering of Isaac was on the same place 2000 in advance.

You should be careful of a Lord who rehearses an event 2000 years in advance.

Jesus died in 33AD, so it will be 2000 years again in 2033.




posted on Dec, 5 2009 @ 04:20 AM
link   
reply to post by Titen-Sxull
 

Quiz Answer #13

Fornication:

The word translated ‘fornication’ in the Old Testament refers to the use or hire of a harlot...
...and is sometimes applied in a national sense when Israel against instruction interacted with another nation.

In the New Testament the word translated ‘fornication’ is porneia
…from which we get the word 'pornography' and is defined as…
…illicit sexual intercourse, adultery, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals, sexual intercourse with close relatives, sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman, as a metaphor for the worship of idols and for sexual practices sometime used in Gentile or pagan worship.

Fornication is never used to describe pre-marital intercourse between singles…
…although because there was no effective contraception in the period of history…
…intercourse was not encouraged and the possiblity was usually managed by the respective families...
...as it still is by Middle Eastern families to this day.

The application of the word ‘fornication’ in this circumstance is to confuse the modern use of the word with first century Hebrew/Greek idiom.




posted on Dec, 5 2009 @ 04:48 AM
link   
reply to post by Titen-Sxull
 

Quiz Answer #14:

The Hebrew and Greek words translated ‘perfect’ simply mean to be complete, finished, mature, healthy, and wholesome...
...however, it is often understood by modern Christians (and there critics) to mean piety or morality...

This modern idea is a hangover from Wesleyan and Victorian moral ideals and absolutes...
...closer to our own time.

If you reapply perfect to mean complete...
...then a person can be ‘complete’ as a baby, an adolescent or as an adult...
...it is meant to convey the idea that the Lord wants us to be all we have been designed to be.





top topics



 
12
<< 3  4  5   >>

log in

join