Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by TangoVooDoo
If God only saves who he decides to save than we have no free will and he is the one purposely damning people to Hell. It cannot be both our choice
and predetermined. So if God decides not to call an individual that individual should not be held responsible for having never been saved. Case
closed.
If it is written by men it is flawed, no matter what, especially when you consider translation errors, logical inconsistencies and the sheer number of
authors (each likely having an agenda).
I do not have to create a God for you and would not know how. I am a human being, to create a perfect God, or even explain a perfect being in a book,
would be impossible and the result would be mere fiction just like the Bible.
Innocence in my eyes is not knowing better, like a child who uses a bad word before they've learned it was bad, they cannot be held responsible for
their actions. Perhaps God sees innocence differently, but I would assume his Righteousness would make him view children as MORE innocent than we do
as goodness, righteousness and mercy exist in man I would expect them to be multiplied greatly in Holy creator.
If God is the puppet master he is a tyrant, a sickened pretender who believes himself Holy when he is anything but, however it is all the more likely
that those verses which paint him as a vengeful twisted murderer are fiction and are to be thrown out. Which is more likely? That a God of mercy is
also the kind of guy who enjoys raining down agony on Earth, or that its all made up?
My apologies for not replying sooner. Life gets in the way many times of my fun activities.
In reply to "free will". Where does the Scriptures state or declare that we have "free will"? It doesn't.
Rather "free will" is alluded to but it's never stated clearly that man, which is Gods creation, has free will to do as he so pleases.
In regards to "God damning to hell" those whom He desires? Yeah and?
Let me place before you 2 possible "IF's".
1) IF we have free will then where you spend eternity is basically left up to you. IF the gospel must be presented to you and your eternity is based
on whether you accept pr reject it then here it is. You have and now know the gospel of salvation. Believe in Christ Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
2) IF we have no free will but our eternity was predestined for us before the foundations of the earth were laid down by God our creator than you have
no idea where you will spend it because it's not your choice. You can whine all about it, shake your fists at God and curse Him but if this scenario
is true then God predestined you to be that fist shaking whiner and there ain't a darn thing you can do about it.
You stated:
Innocence in my eyes is not knowing better, like a child who uses a bad word before they've learned it was bad, they cannot be held responsible for
their actions.
First, your above description goes against morals for those "bad words" may not be so bad to some.
Secondly, the example given by you does not speak of sin against a Holy and Righteous God.
Third and last, by your above description you then are no longer "innocent" in Gods eyes for you now know the gospel. Stop blaming God for your own
choices and rejection of Him. If you end up in eternal separation from Him you are then responsible for that.
You stated:
If God is the puppet master he is a tyrant, a sickened pretender who believes himself Holy when he is anything but, however it is all the more likely
that those verses which paint him as a vengeful twisted murderer are fiction and are to be thrown out. Which is more likely? That a God of mercy is
also the kind of guy who enjoys raining down agony on Earth, or that its all made up?
I appreciate your sincere feelings here. I also understand where you're coming from. You have though spoken or stated these things based on emotions
and feelings and not rational thought. God is a God of Mercy but what you can't grasp is that His Mercy is a HOLY Mercy. His Love is a HOLY Love.
They, and all of His attributes are perfect. If not He then would not be God. So to you and I and our unholy and unrighteous minds we look at
"innocence, mercy and love" through those lenses. We are imperfect and so are our attributes.
Deep thinking or thoughts on this subject must include a scenario involving a line of reasoning such as, "If I had the ability to save or damn what
criteria would I use?"
Would all people be saved and allowed to enter into your/my heaven? I personally have met people I would never save because they were total jerks.
Heck many times in traffic if I had laser beams I would of incinerated countless stupid drivers but what if to them I am the "stupid driver" and
likewise if they had had laser beams I would of been their target? All of my "friends" though would be saved. Not that they deserved it but because
they are my friends. Like I stated, we are selfish people.
So again I appreciate your replies.
