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No "greys" for astronaut Gordon Cooper!

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posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 12:10 AM
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While googling for the name Lee Spiegel, who was the UFO researcher who back in 1978 got me an invitation to the United Nations ("UFO Day") I came across this article by Timothy Green Beckley who was also at the U.N. that day. I bring it here because astronaut Gordon Cooper says, below, describes "aliens" and the description is not that of "greys."

www.ufocasebook.com...
GORDON COOPER & UFOs: AN ASTRONAUT SPEAKS OUT by Timothy Green Beckley
[article in progress]
On coast-to-coast television, Cooper recently made a blockbuster statement that had the telephone lines tied up the next day, as viewers telephoned the stations which carried the syndicated Merv Griffin Show, anxious to find out if their ears had been playing tricks on them the night before.

Toward the end of the talk-show host's interview with the former Astronaut, Merv broke into a secretive tone of voice right on the air, and aimed a hundred-thousand-dollar question at his guest: 'There is a story going around, Gordon, that a spaceship did land in middle America and there were occupants, and members of our government were able to keep one of the occupants alive for a period of time. They've seen the metal of the aircraft and they know what the people look like - is that a credible story?'

For all intents and purposes Cooper should have laughed for assuredly such a speculative story belongs in the category of science fiction or space fantasy. But Gordon Cooper kept a straight face when he replied: 'I think it's fairly credible. I would like to see the time when all qualified people could really work together to properly investigate these stories and either refute or prove them.'

The bombshell had been dropped. Cooper went on to say that from the various reports of UFO contacts and abductions he had been privy to, he was convinced that the occupants of this crashed UFO were 'probably not that different from what we are,' - that they are almost totally humanoid (i.e., have two arms, two legs, a torso and readily identifiable facial features) in appearance.

Taken aback by what Cooper had said over the national airwaves, Lee Spiegel telephoned Cooper's office the following morning and managed to get past his private secretary, though others in the media were getting the cold shoulder.

'Cooper admitted to me that he could have revealed more on the air, but he decided not to play his entire hand because he felt certain that some 'official eyebrows were going to get raised'.'"




posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 12:16 AM
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wow...what an amzing statement from an astronaut! good find ed star and flag for u!



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:45 AM
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Flag and star to you. Eventually, discloser will come. IMHO, these beings are no more than the fallen angles. Yes, we have gleaned information from their crafts. The TR-3B is a very stable platform and most capable of "space flight."



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 02:27 AM
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Gordon Cooper is, IMO, a true Patriot and an American Hero, also a man with an ENORMOUS amount of guts... Someone of his credentials and experience coming forward with information like this should be taken EXTREMELY seriously by everyone.



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 04:10 AM
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'I think it's fairly credible. I would like to see the time when all qualified people could really work together to properly investigate these stories and either refute or prove them.'


The bombshell had been dropped. Cooper went on to say that from the various reports of UFO contacts and abductions he had been privy to, he was convinced that the occupants of this crashed UFO were 'probably not that different from what we are,' - that they are almost totally humanoid (i.e., have two arms, two legs, a torso and readily identifiable facial features) in appearance.


It's not really a bombshell. It's an American citizen who is saying something similar (in a fairly vague way) to what most people believe.
If he had said "Oh yes, I believe that" or "No, that was just a false report" then THAT (to me) would have been a bombshell.
It would be interesting to find out what information he has been privy to, and find out if that is the same as the public knows.
I presume this is referring to Roswell, which is an interesting saga for anyone to read. If Roswell was true, then the information would be on a need to know basis
(Yes I believe the stories of Roswell)

S&F for the research



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 06:18 AM
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There is a you tube video out there that has footage of Gordon Cooper explaining that he had seen a flying saucer land on a dry lake bed with landing gear set out... that`s what I find far more creditable stuff

Cheers
mrix



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by mrixxx
There is a you tube video out there that has footage of Gordon Cooper explaining that he had seen a flying saucer land on a dry lake bed with landing gear set out... that`s what I find far more creditable stuff

Cheers
mrix


Indeed Cooper did tell such stories in hs later years, but what his motivation was remains obscure.

When researched, these stories turn out to exist in Cooper's oral version, and in very different but consistent versions from all the other witnesses and documentation.

As for as credibility, Cooper certainly had it -- and used it to talk friends, associates, and admirers out of about two million dollars for aviation investment schemes that all went bust, and actually landed some of the promoters (Cooper was an innocent dupe) in jail. People who felt -- understandably -- that Cooper had earned public trust wound up losing their life savings when they actually bet on it.

It's a sad and still baffling story.

Maybe it comes down to the question, do you believe Cooper when he stated that he saved the space shuttle program from a fatal design flaw when he relayed a telepathic warning to NASA from space aliens? He writes this in his book.

But if he can exaggerate and tall-tale-tell in this case, where is the line drawn?



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 09:36 AM
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Great Post
S&F

I think the problem here is the verbal human factor. Unfortunatly too many have told stories that turned out to be just bogus. No matter who you are and what credibility you have. You can still lie. Look at your past presidents. (Just let me mention 3 late ones, the Father and son Bush and easy one Bill Clinton) Yup all credible people that rounded up followers so much they actually got elected but again they lied for their own agenda or own personal benifit.

So this being said. Yes Cooper is a great man (it could be argumented) maybe to some a hero because he hopped on a shuttle gone to space ... So anyone going to space is credible and a honest man that you would follow and believe? Come on we just had a Quebec, Canadian clown up in space that paid 20 and more millions to go up there. Does this make these people heros or gods and teller of the truth? No it doesnt, I actually gives them advantage to lie about things us mortels dont know or dont understand perfectly. So they can BS us like any other man on this planet can.

Now if you want to prove anything to me. Then show me pictures and videos and hardware evidence of such a visit and I will believe and follow you. I'm just tired of all these people going out to say anything and they get believed by the masses. Come on people 1+1 is not 3, maybe some luny can argu this also but then again think about it for a minute. They have no concret proof just their words. This doesnt make any of that facts. Actually raises questions on why didnt they mention this earlier, why now? What are they gaining out of it or what do they want out of it?

No One is perfect, no one is immuned against lying for their own interest.

Show me the proof and I will walk by your side ... None of these statements are what we are looking for. The disclosure wont be by our goverments but by the ones themselves. They don't need our Govs to tell us they exist. If they are so advanced, then they are advanced enought to know that Goverments are only lies and facade for the real rulers the elite famillies ...

Trust No One, Fear No One ...


[edit on 2-11-2009 by NIGHTRID3R]



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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The problem with NASA astronauts is that they are NASA puppets.

God knows what has been done to them in order to forget stuff. Or to remember stuff. ^^



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by NIGHTRID3R
No One is perfect, no one is immuned against lying for their own interest.


I rarely encounter liars in this field -- although the number of statements being made sincerely that are misunderstandings or memory glitches or exaggerations for dramatic effects is very, very large, in my experience.

This is a central question for 'evidence' -- many prominent and intelligent people have reached the opinion that some UFO reports represent non-human technology. The question for modern research is, so what?

It's when you get specific that things get murkier, and Cooper is an excellent case in point. For some, he is granted godlike omniscience and infallibility, in others he became a has-been jet jock playing the UFO circuit because he burned all his bridges to the space community when he was booted out of the Apollo program [as he was -- but NASA hushed it up]. The latter case is more interesting, and more tragic, because of the literal heights from which he fell.

But in any case, in my view, disciplined, rigorous investigation of all claims, corroboration, and context is required if there is to be any hope of making even partial sense of any portion of this overwhelmingly mysterious phenomenon that might -- just might, really -- have profound implications for humanity's future.

Sloppiness and self-serving posturing is a luxury I don't think this subject will allow us.



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by Fedge
The problem with NASA astronauts is that they are NASA puppets.

God knows what has been done to them in order to forget stuff. Or to remember stuff. ^^


Baloney. Hundreds of people have been into space --many not NASA employees or even US citizens. Their experiences have always been an open topic for full discussion.

This closed-minded attitude is a formula for disregarding eyewitness testimony inconvenient to preconceptions. "I know what's true and any contrary views are lies" is an all-too-common pathology of UFOlogy (or of UFOria) that has largely crippled any chance of intellectual rigor leading to a real scientific approach.

Fedge, shame on you.



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 10:18 AM
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Seriously...a "hero" comes on the air and basically puts weight behind the ufo movement, and your first response is...he is probably lying?

and your theoretically a "believer".

No wonder the governments of the world can forever deny information, if the so called believers immediately call the most respected people of their field as liars...and what did he lie about anyhow, a belief? he stated no facts, just his personal belief system.

also, if you read the actual article verses immediately post, you would have seen it wasnt done lately, this interview was over 30 years ago..he didnt go on the show to give evidence, he was asked a question and stated his beliefs, like it or lump it.

I find your entire attitude highly curious...dont listen to this man and his beliefs, he lies...rememeber, bill clinton got a hummer therefore this guy is a liar...Whats your agenda anyhow?

As far as the only proof worthy will be physical, your perhaps right about that for acceptance...but this is under the assumption that such beings would even want to or care to be known by the general population.

Besides, there would be plenty whom would disbelieve even if full disclosure did happen, simply out of desire to be alone in the universe...thinking its just a conspiracy dog and pony show the governments put on.



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by Fedge
The problem with NASA astronauts is that they are NASA puppets.

God knows what has been done to them in order to forget stuff. Or to remember stuff. ^^


Baloney. Hundreds of people have been into space --many not NASA employees or even US citizens. Their experiences have always been an open topic for full discussion.

This closed-minded attitude is a formula for disregarding eyewitness testimony inconvenient to preconceptions. "I know what's true and any contrary views are lies" is an all-too-common pathology of UFOlogy (or of UFOria) that has largely crippled any chance of intellectual rigor leading to a real scientific approach.

Fedge, shame on you.



Here here...

I personally believe that UFOs may be like bigfoot...they may exist deep in some mysterious woods somewhere and spotted now and then throughout the ages, but not everyone whom goes into the woods will see bigfoot.

There is a science of UFOlogy, and a religion of UFOlogy...now, even though I find the religion of UFOlogy (and perhaps even would support a movement for a offical recognition of UFOist as a religious institution), it does hamper proper scientific investigation of the phenomona.

There should be a disclaimer stating UFOists are UFOlogy are only superficially related in the same way string theory and modern physics are related.



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 10:26 AM
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Thanks, interesting info... I have allways believed Mr. Cooper to be a credible man.

I have also wanted to see or hear from other witnesses who could verify or deny Coopers UFO story - do you know any of their names or links for further study?

I also read in your article: www.jamesoberg.com... that Cooper untill the 1980's "were much more cautious and wellworded" with his comments regaeding the ufo matter..
I cannot say I agree, as I understand that Cooper stated on record back in 1951 that he "chased UFO's with a fighterplane". This supposedly happened over Germany. www.youtube.com... (2.10)

Your comments about him being relayed a telepathic warnings from aliens, I have to see that statement in a context before letting that information determen Coopers credibility...



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 10:54 AM
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And on that day... Gordo Cooper become one of many great Americans to have his words twisted by people who desperately want to believe.

[edit on 2-11-2009 by kenochs]



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by Jauqx
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Thanks, interesting info... I have allways believed Mr. Cooper to be a credible man.


So you swallowed the NASA propaganda, eh? ;-)

Seriously -- the presumption of honesty and reliability usually is proper in day-to-day life.



I have also wanted to see or hear from other witnesses who could verify or deny Coopers UFO story - do you know any of their names or links for further study?


Indeed yes, I found dozens, and reported on them on my home page. Their memories are ALL markedly at variance with the way Cooper told the stories.



I cannot say I agree, as I understand that Cooper stated on record back in 1951 that he "chased UFO's with a fighterplane". This supposedly happened over Germany.


He didn't state that in 1951, he began telling that story in the mid-1970s. He told earlier, and very different, versions in the 1960s. The story improved with age -- a fairly common feature of pilot yarns.


Your comments about him being relayed a telepathic warnings from aliens, I have to see that statement in a context before letting that information determen Coopers credibility...


It's from his own autiobiography, 'Leap of Faith'. Check it out in a library and determine the context -- and the credibility -- yourself.



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 10:57 AM
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Well, it is entirely possible that the post that you just put up for other ATS'ers to see is an entire fabrication of your opinion. How do we know you aren't lying about the opinion that you've posted? I mean, how we do we determine the credibility of another human being? Does being an astronaut lend that credibility(years of military experience, aviation education, piloting and extensive research into observation and analysis?) How about being a police officer, doctor, physicist, or a railway conductor? Define for me the parameters that gives one credibility?

Since I know that you will not be able to come up with an applicable definition, I will have to believe a guy who has been into space, highly educated, and decorated before I believe some random guy who critiques him just to have a voice.



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 11:00 AM
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Please provide proof that Cooper was kicked out of the Apollo program. And saying that NASA hushed it up is not going to fly. Unless you have valid evidence for such an affirmative claim, I think its better not to make that claim.



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 11:04 AM
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Well stated SaturnFX. As long as people feel the need to discredit someone to keep their realities safe, there will never be hope to move this stuff forward as a science. I found his argument incredibly weak if not absolutely pathetic.



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
Please provide proof that Cooper was kicked out of the Apollo program. And saying that NASA hushed it up is not going to fly. Unless you have valid evidence for such an affirmative claim, I think its better not to make that claim.


Read about it in "Deke!", the ghosted autobiography of Deke Slayton, his fellow Mercury-7 astronaut buddy who grounded him.

Cooper had been backup commander of Apollo-10 with what he thought was a shoo-in rotation to commander of Apollo-13. But his performance in simulations and in the classroom was so bad that he was replaced on the new crew by Alan Shepard (and the crew got rotated to Apollo-14 for more training time).



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