Man, estranged wife charged with filming themselves raping girl, 4-year-old girl

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


And that would solve nothing other than your own quest for blood and pain. These people should be punished, but your sense of punishment verges on barbarism. I could perhaps see the point if it would achieve something, but it wouldn't. It would only quell your lust and not stop what is important, which is the protection of children. Draconian means of torture and execution would not hinder it at all, learn from history.

reply to post by Solomons


I dont have a quest for blood and pain.
The man that raped the little baby did.
I have a quest for eliminating that .
Appeals, plea bargains, reduced sentencing, 3 hots and a cot in prison, criminals "rights"? I'm of the position that THOSE contribute more to the continuation of this type of behavior than any draconian (and i'm not) method of execution.
Maybe with the technology we have today we could manufacture little latex babies in china with "all the right parts" and let the sick basturds buy them? We'd be "saving" children?
Those twisted needs are going to want to be met, correct?
Or do we just keep jailing and bailing them?
No sir, I hold to my point, REMOVE them from the planet, and on the way out , allow them to experience the sickness and pain that "they" thought were so correct.

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


? Again, you are looking at things short term and with an emotional knee jerk reaction. Your solution to the problem won't solve the problem.Simple as that. The problem will never go away,as far as i can see anyway. Better to put our resources into stopping the atrocities as much as we can. Course that will never be good enough, but it is a lot better than begging for pain and suffering without ever trying to resolve the issues that we need to.

reply to post by Zosynspiracy


Well, how else would they test it? Asking them nicely?

They should be neutered anyhow

I am sad and weary of reading about situations like this every damn week! Plus the growing number of extreme child abuse and prostitution.
Children are are future and these SICK SOB'S are robbing them of their innocence and us of their potential!
I am all in favor of a "no tolerance" policy to be implemented in the case of a crime against a child: you are executed within 30 days,NO damn "mental evaluations" or plea-bargins,you are simply gone.The reason this horrible stuff keeps haappening is that there isn't enough consequnce for the crimes,period.
"They are sick..." "They are from a bad background..." "They were off their meds..."
Enough.They need to be eliminated.

I remember when I was in Malaysia: there is a ZERO tolerance on drug-trafficking there. Young man two cars ahead of our cab was driving a pickup full of durian...a delicious but VERY pungent fruit. He had to slam on his brakes and stop suddenly when someone ran out into the road. There was a police car a few cars back and unfortunately,the durian went flying off the back of the truck and onto the road,breaking open to expose the drugs within.
He was arrested on the spot and executed by hanging less than 2 weeks later...he was 19.
Sob story? Sure it's sad but he KNEW the consequences of transporting drugs and they stick to their policies.
I truly believe our leinient legal-system is partically to blame for these freak-shows of human beings being allowed to victimize children.
Not expecting this to be a popular posting but I feel strongly about it: start making a damn example out of some of them and then see if the numbers go down,there is WAY too much of it happening currently!

These people deserve to be put to death.

Not humanely.

Not quickly.

It should be done in a gruesome and horrible manner. It should be filmed and shown to everyone who is ever arrested for molesting children.

People who defend virtual child pornography saying it is harmless because it does not involve real children should also be shown it. I am a moderator at one of the largest artist communities on the net and I have seen fairies and elves doing some pretty nasty work. Fairies and elves that look remarkably young. We of course remove them, but I am sure they get posted elsewhere to titillate pedophiles of a similar mindset. The "artists" say but they are fairies and elves, not children. I say you have made them look like children for a reason and we both know what that reason is.

reply to post by irishchic


Exactly the point many make, he was excecuted with in two weeks, he knew the consequences, and yet he STILL did it. The death penalty will never make the problem go away.


The FIRST problem we need to overcome is the knee jerk disguted reaction, the age of consent in England only moved to 16 in 1886, from 12! Yes as recent as that young children were engaging in acts most would find repulsive now. So right away we have sorted a majority of paedophiles into a category very recently seen as acceptable because it is natural, these people need to be dealt with different than say paedophiles who rape 4 year old children.


Yes they need to be kept away from the public until we can find a way to 'cure' them, but we do need to fine that way, killing them off when we catch them will never stop them.

Originally posted by Laurauk
reply to post by Aeons

 

There is no way, when someone has done something like this, is ever going to rehabilitated. I am sory but those who say it works. Hmms oks tell that to the victims of these offenders. Whom have to live with a horrible life sentence on thier heads everyday for the rest off thier lifes.

[edit on 1-11-2009 by Laurauk]

And these people almost surely fit my definition of people who should be killed by the state - because they have surely committed serial heinous crimes.

They don't deserve it.

But doing it, that's the rub. You then put someone, or yourself, into the pit of human demons with them.

You don't torture a rabid dog. You just put it down.

Originally posted by groingrinder
These people deserve to be put to death.

Not humanely.

Not quickly.

It should be done in a gruesome and horrible manner. It should be filmed and shown to everyone who is ever arrested for molesting children.

reply to post by dodadoom


The new hate crime bill protects all forms of sexual deviance, including this. Many in the homosexual community believe "sex before eight or its to late".

The second largeast group that is a threat to our children is the UN.

reply to post by StevenDye


Yet doing this to children is allowed in many countries and we do business with these countries.

We are supposed to be intelligent humans and yet we are the only species on earth that does this to their children.

If a male bear tried this with some bears cub, he would be ripped to shreds.

What will happen to the child? Well I just read about a man who from early childhood was tortured and conditioned, not by his parents, but by a secret government program, using many children to raise them as super soldiers.

This just is one more demonstration that slavery, hate crimes, and all the other things have nothing to do with color, gender, religion, politics, but man's inhumanity to man.

We can not have peace until we have equality and with that will be freedom. But it has to start within each of us. Protect our children.

reply to post by spiritwomyn


Yes, and can you tell me how killing a man AFTER he has raped a young child protects that young child?


Whilst lokcing him up and trying to find a cause for this perversion COULD save others...

As I said, paedophilia is split, after the child is about 12, then naturally nothing wrong is happening...by society maybe, but not by nature. Therefore it needs to be treated different to someone who rapes a young child of say 5, there is no natural reason for this to happen, the girl cannot give birth.


But as I said, killing the man doesn't save that child, and prevents us from trying to save others... if you catch a paedophile after he has raped someone you are already too late...

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
Some of you obviously have not read the Franklin Scandal book. There are some VERY disturbing allegations of government officials and kids at Bohemian Grove. Too sick to even mention.

Please feel free to start a thread.

reply to post by StevenDye

Yes they need to be kept away from the public until we can find a way to 'cure' them, but we do need to fine that way,

This would imply a medical illness then ?

Are we dealing with an illness that causes crime but only the criminal act is receiving the attention and not the illness ?

I'm having trouble getting my head around this, a schizophrenic is ill and receives treatment to help them and help prevent possible criminal actions.

A pedophile when caught is locked up in jail with people who would cause us harm to harm them on our behalf ?

Surely it is time for societies to decide once and for all whether to hang or cure these people, if it is an illness let's face up to it and find out what causes it.

If it's just criminal behavior and is deemed to be the worst type then surely the worst type of punishment should be inflicted ?

What is interesting to note, is that the involvement of women seems to be on the increase.

Should we welcome Gattica ?

Originally posted by spiritwomyn
Many in the homosexual community believe "sex before eight or its to late".

I have never once heard anything even remotely similar come from the gay community. How dare you relate what consenting adults do in their bedroom, to the atrocities talked about in this news report?? I don't think I have ever seen anything so offensive on ATS. Youtube?..sure. And trying to start rumors like this about a group of people, will NOT make friends for you.

This goes right along with the thread about 'sex offenders', where posters repeatedly refer to every registered sex offender as 'pedophile'.

I do NOT think it's cool to make statements like this, even though you feel like you are safely hiding behind the computer screen.

I hope you don't even believe your own derogatory, dehumanizing crap.

Here is a solution that would reduce the problem. Reform CPS! More children are sexually abused by social workers and by foster parents than in their own homes. If you were a pedophile where would you work?

Originally posted by moocowman

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
Some of you obviously have not read the Franklin Scandal book. There are some VERY disturbing allegations of government officials and kids at Bohemian Grove. Too sick to even mention.

Please feel free to start a thread.

Please do! I have been dying to get my hands on that book. I wanted to start a thread on it myself, but not having read the book yet, you might better than I to do it.

The more popular something is (whether it is legal or not) will only make more people do it.

I get the feeling that when the news starts reporting on certain types of crimes, that such crimes go up.

Just a theory.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
can someone respond to the second post of mine replying to this article?

we are focusing too much on the creation and not the creator

death penalty won't work
do they deserve it?
Yes

Does it work?
No

It works, but only on one individual at a time.


The interesting thing about the term death penalty is the second word.

Penalty.

It doesn't say rehabilitation.

It doesn't say deterrent.

It says penalty.

With this post, I know there'll be some who say, "Oh but they're humans too, they just need help!", but I'll say it anyways.

When it comes down to what they did, they can't be helped. And I'm starting to feel that locking them up, giving them psychological help is a waste of time.

Especially when it's a clear cut case like this, where there is no question if they did it or not, I say take them out back and blow their brains out.

I'm sorry if that's offensive to any of you, but guess what, it's time to screw being politically correct and "pro human life" when degenerates like this screw up a little girls life for good.

Once these sickos start to see that their fellow sicko's are getting put down, it'll dawn on them that they too will be put down. If they truly have a problem and 2 IQ points, they'll be the ones seeking help to prevent themselves from A.) Hurting anyone and B.) Saving their own skins.

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