All out NON nuclear war: Australia vs Indonesia

Rule out nuclear war
Rule out outside help from the UK and the US


Who would win if AU and Indonesia went into a conventional war ??

Let's be reminded that Indonesia has more military power in every sense.

And also that Indonesia's military is ranked as the 14th most powerful in the world and Australia is only ranked 26th...


Have your say...

If only you could "rule out" certain things that make war;war.

Thats like saying "if the dallas cowboys were playing the raiders, but dallas didnt have pads, or helmets, and used a soccer ball instead of a football, who would win?"

I dont know what the purpose of this thread was to begin with, but I think that whatever answer you will find, will be null and void to an actual eventhappening.

Australia and Indonesia wouldn't go to war either. They are big trading partners and have pretty good relations! Despite what many paranoid xenophobes in Australia might think, the two countries get along quite well with each other.

reply to post by SkitzoFrenic

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Not knowing much about the Indonesian military (I could rush off to Wiki to find out, and pretend to be super clever, but that'd be a lie ... )

If their forces are larger, better equipped and if their population is larger and willing to fight the good fight ... then Australia will be invaded & overrun. Your sons & daughters will now be gibbering in some foreign tongue and praying towards Mecca five times each day. And the rest of the world will look on bemused, because they're bound by some rule not to intervene.

Is that what you wanted to hear ?

This is easy....Australia and their secret exploding Koala Bears would route the Indonesia forces.

reply to post by SkitzoFrenic

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Both countries have McDonald's...
...no two countries who have McDonald's outlets have ever been in a military conflict.

Thats not true.. Argentina & the UK have been involved in a military conflict!

reply to post by troubleshooter

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Oh noes !!!! McDonalds have announced the closure of their restaurants in Iceland !

Does this mean Great Britain and Iceland are going to war again like they did in the 1970's ?

The Fourth Cod War ??

reply to post by SkitzoFrenic

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Silly premise.

If they didn't go to war over murdered newsmen in Timor, they aren't goin to war over a boat load of Sri Lankan Tamil refugees.

years ago I was told by someone that If ever Indonesia was to attack they would do so by shear numbers, driving themselves across to the central part of Australia from the top before splitting into three main formations to attack the left, right and forward flanks all the way to the coasts. This would also tie in not by nuclear but gas warfare by them.
I don't really think we would stand much chance in a defence by numbers, or taken by suprise.

And how are they going to get to Australia? In 400,000 leaky fishing boats?

The Australian military is under ranked because it is small. However it is possibly the most effective at what it does.

Frankly, Indonesia wouldn't have a chance. Their superior numbers would be meaningless.

The Balinese would probably apply for Australian statehood within 5 minutes of war being declared.

There would be no chance Indonesia could beat us. We have greater technology and weapons than them, leading to greater co-ordination and technique. Not to mention our Navy and Airforce which would stalk the waters preventing the Indonesians from getting far.

There'd no doubt be other country(s) that would help too (hopefully), like the UK.

reply to post by SkitzoFrenic

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Over 30 years ago our military advisors were saying our next big threat would come from the north.

I find it interesting that the news media in both countries is owned by an Australian yet the northern country's news is anti-Australian, while ours is menial news or as I like to call it Not The News.

Should the time ever come then Australians are stuffed, having trained the northern troops on our own soil. Clever that was. We will be screwed big time, better learn the language now mates.

I'm not sure there would be a winner in the sense of the war ending quickly.

Australia has pretty weak force projection capability but Indonesia's is currently even worse.

Over time, Indonesia has become more of a 'threat' as they acquire submarines and more advanced Russian aircraft which is occurring at the same time as Australia is experiencing or soon to experience block obsolescence with most of our major military hardware.

We also have a problem in that our current submarines seem to be inoperational most of the time and the replacement force we are looking at (which would clearly re-establish our maritime superiority in no uncertain terms) is very expensive, a long way off and there are no off the shelf non-nuclear solutions that we can quickly buy in. The F35 fiasco has also left us in limbo.

But as others have indicated, Indonesia's main problem is the air-sea gap. Their navy is still weak and their armed forces are largely unprofessional and/or not well equipped and focussed on suppression of domestic unrest rather than fighting invasion wars overseas. Any idea they could land thousands let alone hundreds of thousands of troops is unlikely, not to mention the logistics of covering thousands of kms of desert to reach major population centres.

In terms of the political situation, your scenario is also unlikely (aside from the very likely intervention of the US and the UK - their investments in Australia are extraordinarily large) because Australia and Indonesia are in some ways allied in concern about potential Chinese power in years to come. Relations between the two countries are probably better now than they ever were, helped especially by them having some decent men as leaders these days.

reply to post by Yazman

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I meant war...not an armed standoff...
...countries with interconnected financial interests don't go to war.

Indonesia wouldn't have a chance against Australia.....sheer numbers dont mean much when attacking a country such as Australia.....

Japan itself admited it had no plans on Invading Australia as they knew their logistical capabilties, even as string as they were at the time would not have been enough...the japanese struggled eve getting to Malaysia...let along across one of the harshest continents on earth.

Indonesia, even thou having a huge army and all muslim, they have many differences amongst themselves.......they couldnt organise a piss up at a pub!

Australia, thou it will never be admitted is already part of the defence missile shield program the US is setting up around the world with its allies.....we have a much higher technology in use than the indonesians do, and Ive heard from many sources that should a nation ever seriously threaten australia, we would wipe them off the map....now I dont know if that means bio, chemical or nuclear, but i wouldnt say we dont have any of that.........

Australia is armed to the teeth....with a small, but very effective defence force......

dont discount us because of our small population.

Australia would be in defense as they have no desire to infiltrate Indonesia. Indonesia does have desire to dominate and take territory in Australia. Could they accomplish that? Yep.

reply to post by JJay55

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How could they accomplish that in your opinion? Because of the size of their population only?

Any invader soming in from Australia's north will find their biggest battle is with the country itself

Logistical nightmare with supply lines stretching for 1000s of km of barren desert and not much in the way of roads to travel over.

Indonesia doesn't stand alone. They are part of the 57 country OIC. Muslims from all over the globe support muslims no matter which of the 57 countries apply. Therefore, in the event of a battle it is fard ayn and the duty of Islam to fight. The current population in Australia would already be inside. Add nukes and dirty bombs from Pakistan, reinforcement from Thailand, the battlefield junkies from Iraq and Australia would have their hands tied. The only advantage Australia has is the climate and terrain.