let me just say, they will have to take my life before they take my freedom.. and i wont be the only dead body on that day.

Originally posted by PApro
let me just say, they will have to take my life before they take my freedom.. and i wont be the only dead body on that day.

What freedom

list it - sounds like a blanket statement of a sheep, let us hear it?

Ah, It's starting to make sense. . .
After the next staged economic collapse, the poor and middle class will no longer be able to afford private health care. So they "have" to get government run health care. I'm VERY curious whats going to be imposed in this bill. After all what "promises" has Obama kept? So why is he pushing so hard for this? This will certainly be interesting to be watched played out. . .

This is really strange.. for a while, I was under the impression that health care in the states was going to be like it is here in Canada... and it really isn't all that bad. But it is a common misconception to say that it is free. It is not "free". We get a bill, every three months I believe, which we are supposed to pay, and that covers the basics.. If you don't pay your bill that comes every three months, they can take a percentage of your income tax money. If you can prove to them that you are a low income person, I believe you don't have to pay as much.
If you don't pay your bill or do your taxes, and they don't get any money from you, they can refuse to service you if you go to the hospital or need health attention. The fact that they can do this means that it is by no means "free".
But I would definitely not complain about the way health care is here. I just hate it being called free. "Universal" is a better term.
But if the system is going to be the same, or similar, there (I didn't really look into it yet), I don't think it should really be worried about too much.
If it's not going to be the same as it is here, it appears that they have succeeded in passing a bill that the people would not generally approve of, by citing Canada's health care, and by using the same misconception of it being "free", even though it won't be the same. That's interesting.

This is even worse than that.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.”

So there, it's 250.000$ and 5 years if you willfully DO NOT WANT THEIR TAKEOVER.

Once this is passed, COME AND ARREST ME GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE I WILL NOT PAY YOU A DAMN CENT.

The estimated cost for the cheapest single family, non-group health care plan under the current Reform Bill is $15,000 per year. Either cough it up, or go to jail! Nevermind that some 53 million US citizens are currently out of work, with many more to come. Yea, it will be easy for them to come up with an additional $15,000 per year, no problem.

Well, I guess the government will get some use out of those FEMA camps after all. They should be renamed Club Pelosi.

Originally posted by Angiras


Well, I guess the government will get some use out of those FEMA camps after all. They should be renamed Club Pelosi.

That is quite funny.

If Congress doesn't get the healthcare for themselves why would anyone be stupid enough to support it?

I don't know if anyone has tried to read through the 1900 page bill. I took a look at it, and it reads like a high tech manual, stereo instructions and a foriegn language all wrapped into one thing. Now from what I could tell on the penalty part, for failing to have health insurance, it is to be considered a tax on the person, but not a tax. (Yes it really does say that). But if it does pass, I will suggest we all contact lawyers who handles constitutional cases and argue this up to the Supreme court, on these basis: If you don't have health insurance, the government is going to fine you and give you a felony. With a felony conviction and record, then you lose the right to vote and own a fire arm, as well as a few other rights.

I am a veteran on a combination of service connected and veteran disability pension. and i have free health care through the VA.

At the $985 i get from the VA a month after paying rent, utilities,
car insurance i have very little money left over.

And there is no way i am going to buy health insurance.

And they can not take it from my taxes because i do not pay any as the VA disability is not counted as taxable income.

Throw me in jail that would be a joke as it would then cost the jail system even more for my medical care then the VA pays.
and they could not even get me to work while i was in jail as i am disabled.

I do not think to much of this health care bill as it looks like it is written to just increase the profits of the insurance industry.

Most of the information from both sides in this debate has been bogus.

And the insurance industry has been feeding much of this information into the debate just to get what they want and eliminate what they don't want from the bill.

How many of you that have been following this bill have checked the sources on claims that have been made for and against this bill.

Many of the claims i have checked have ether bogus sources or sources that disappear within days after the claims are made.

This leads me to believe that the insurance industry is behind a lot of the disinformation.
and are shaping this bill with disinformation to get just the wording they want to increase there profits and cut there cost.

one story i keep hearing is if people that were injured in auto accidents that had to file for bankruptcy because of there medical cost because of the accident.
what happen to they auto insurance paying for this medical.
or was these stories of people that were driving without auto insurance and that is why they had to file banlruptcy.

and what and who will pay medical cost for auto accidents after these health care bill passes.
WILL the insurance companies DOUBLE DIP on us by requiring us to pay for health care insurance plus pay for medical cost under our auto insurance policies.

paying medical costs is one of the higher cost for the auto insurance industry.
and many of these companies sell both health insurance and auto insurance.