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Police take advantage of drunk girl, police state resource thread.

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posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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reply to post by Phenomium
 


Oh, I see...Bros before Whoes....is that it? No, thats not it, it's a matter of integrity and respecting the badge and all it stands for. I have been screwed by more women figuritively than I have ever had sex with literally, and no I am not a woman hater. Yes, I have been tempted on duty and I have had it flaunted at me with implications made. But, I'm a cop when I am on and off duty. What I do in my home town reflect on police officers everywhere.
The officer that I canned left his wife for another woman, got her pregnant and was running around on her. He was also taking 16 year old girls who were impressed by his position, prepping them, and as soon as they turned 18, he would nail them. He would also tell women "let me see your t*ts" to get out of a ticket. Maybe you would lilke for him to pull your daughter or sister. So yes I canned him. I know many, too many bad cops and given the opportunity, I'd fire everyone of them and see to it that never worked in law enforcement again. They represent me and hundreds of other good cops, and I don't like.
Maybe if you held officers to a higher standard and start demanding that standard from your city/county officials we would have less videos of bad cops in action. And maybe, just maybe the badge could be respected once again.
Seeashrink




posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 07:37 PM
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OMG... I get so angry when I see these videos. I have to stop.

But thanks for bringing it to the attention of others.
S&F'd.



posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by seeashrink
reply to post by Phenomium
 


Oh, I see...Bros before Whoes....is that it? No, thats not it, it's a matter of integrity and respecting the badge and all it stands for. I have been screwed by more women figuritively than I have ever had sex with literally, and no I am not a woman hater. Yes, I have been tempted on duty and I have had it flaunted at me with implications made. But, I'm a cop when I am on and off duty. What I do in my home town reflect on police officers everywhere.
The officer that I canned left his wife for another woman, got her pregnant and was running around on her. He was also taking 16 year old girls who were impressed by his position, prepping them, and as soon as they turned 18, he would nail them. He would also tell women "let me see your t*ts" to get out of a ticket. Maybe you would lilke for him to pull your daughter or sister. So yes I canned him. I know many, too many bad cops and given the opportunity, I'd fire everyone of them and see to it that never worked in law enforcement again. They represent me and hundreds of other good cops, and I don't like.
Maybe if you held officers to a higher standard and start demanding that standard from your city/county officials we would have less videos of bad cops in action. And maybe, just maybe the badge could be respected once again.
Seeashrink


And what has the world shown lately about the repect of the badge? What lately HAS it stood for? New World Order?????

ps..



Oh, I see...Bros before Whoes....is that it?


This is the only code we men, who don't wear the badge have left.



He would also tell women "let me see your t*ts" to get out of a ticket. Maybe you would lilke for him to pull your daughter or sister


I would indeed, like him to pull my sister over and do this to her.


.............wow, maybe I do need therapy.

[edit on 1-11-2009 by Phenomium]



posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 07:50 PM
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I will be the first to admit that I have an emotional attachment to this subject. The older I get the worse that seems to get. As a cop I continually fight this battle and try to instill it in my young officers to do the same. Sometimes its one step forward and two back.
I read your other thread as you suggested and I am glad to see that you are offering some balance to the issue.
I don't know if the 1981 in your name represents your date of birth, but if it does you are mature beyond your years. I look forward to your future post.
Seeashrink



posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by GovtFlu
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...Well I'll have to ask your definition of "drunk"...

In a recent thread / news story some regular pukes... ....what these cops did.. see any massive difference? I do....

As if every guy here would take moral offense to some hot tipsy chick putting on a display at their job...lol

BTW a cop quitting / resigning isn't an indication of guilt, one or both could be on probation where they do no enjoy police officers "rights".. like AB301 rights in Calif... or perhaps had previous incidents of being disciplined which is why they were on the desk. A probationer who resigns has a much better chance of getting another police job than if he were fired.



I cut most of your post, but left the areas I'm trying to respond to to answer your questions, I hope it makes sense.

The news report stated she was drunk, not me. But I feel that anyone who's drinking is intoxicated for a period of time. Just because she didn't appear to be putting her safety at risk doesn't mean she wasn't. Most women I have met who have only had a few drinks, don't throw their leg up on a counter reaching for a drink. Of course, it could have been a really wide counter and the officer handing her the drink told her to climb for it.

Next, your terms 'regular pukes' and 'cops' is already a massive difference. Cops are expected to be more disciplined.

As for your comment about "As if"... some actually would. There are times and places for certain behaviors. This wasn't one of them.

Finally, Your right that someone who resigns has better employment options, but that doesn't change the 'appearance' of why he did it. At least for now. When my brother was arrested for murder, he made the comment on the news that 'he was sorry for what had happened to the man that was killed'. The woman he was arrested with kept her mouth shut. But his statement led me and others to believe that he something to do with it. And it turns out that he did have something to do with it. They both killed him for no reason that I've ever heard of to this day. They were both convicted to Life w/o parole. And he's up for parole in this month, funny judical system we have here. But the point is if someone is innocent, they fight it. Despite what the paper says, in America, you're guilty until proven innocent. Otherwise the jails wouldn't be filled with people waiting for trial. But my point is that sometimes "appearance" is all that's needed to convit you of a crime or turn you down for employment. It ain't right, but that's the way it is most places.

I believe two officers involved did get suspension. Who knows if the third would have or not. But if he did, it would have been a part of his "perament record" (I always feel funny saying that. Always heard about it in school and it didn't seem to matter then) anyway, resigning allows him to seek employment at another PD and I only hope he's learned from this incident.

But the Truth is that the officers and the young woman were wrong in how they did things. I think the point we're discussing now is who was more at fault, the woman who may or may not have had to much to drink or the men on duty who are sworn to protect and serve?



posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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Drunk or not, wouldn't the responsibility be on the officers on duty to assure professionalism while at their post? Last I checked police stations were not meant to double as social clubs.



posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by ugie1028
reply to post by Mr Knowledge
 


I would have to agree. i think the Mods should consider dedicating a forum to the police state.

its up to them, but good idea though!

OP S&F!

For the video... the guys looked like they were suckered in HARD. She is equally at fault, however she was not sober, and the police shouldn't of done what they did. maybe in a bar, at a club, or wherever, but not ON DUTY! They deserve to be suspended without pay for a few months.


I'm surprised it hasn't happened already



posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by Phenomium

Originally posted by calstorm
reply to post by Phenomium
 


That's the most pathetic thing I have ever heard. And a bad stereotype of women to boot. So if you want a woman bad enough you just rape her because you can't control your self? Grow some balls. Fortunately for us women there are real men out there who don't give into the lame mind set.


First off, they didn't rape her. She did more than they did in the video. As for you being a "real woman" ....if you are the example for a real woman then who needs 'em? "Grow some balls?" that's the classiest thing I think I've heard yet from a woman. I never said anything about a man raping a woman to get what he wants. Typical, to twist the words of a man in your favor. I don't think any man, any where has ever had to deal with a woman trying to twist his words against him and had the woman create percieved, unspoken statements out of statements that were something entirely different. No, that has never happened to man LOL. What is pathetic is your attempt to twist a sentence and it's structure to benefit your argument of nothing. It's the equivalent of hitting below the belt....yeah, where those things are that I ostensibly just grew. A lucky guy is the man who gets a woman as classy as you. If you are a "real woman" who is worthy of a real man......how about showing some decorum.

[edit on 1-11-2009 by Phenomium]

Who is twisting whos words? You said men are a slave to their impulses. So I asked YOU a simple question. Are you such a slave to your impulses that you couldn't stop your self from raping a woman? Where do you draw the line? You are right about one thing, I'm not classy, I'm to jaded for that. I'm a woman who has had to become the "man" of the house because men now days don't know how to change a spark plug or fix the dishwasher, and heaven forbid they are brave enough to climb a ladder to clear the leaves out of the gutters. I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty, not because I want to but because I have to since men have become so helpless these days. Not all men, but a lot, and I don't blame them, I blame our parents generation. I know there are some good ole southern boys out there who don't have this problem. Ya'll need to come teach these Cali suits a thing or two.



posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by Dramey
stupid thread

im always the 1st one to bash the cops when they do something wrong

nothing was done wrong here

there was a slut

she showed off for the cops

the cops acted like straight men

period

im actually pretty pissed off, i mean how can cops be fired, suspended, and quit over this yet we have so much more serious crap going on by cops and nothing happens in those situations

You are right, we are only allowed to know small incidents regarding the authorities, whether it be the government, the troops, the secret agencies, the police, to keep the conspiracy theorist busy, while more horrible things happen which are hidden and no one knows about it, and no one can know about it.

We were busy looking at Guantanamo but we had no idea what kind of torture the CIA implemented in its secret facilities in the middle east under middle east dictators. We don't know how many people have died, how many people have been raped etc etc.

What we are seeing is only a small and nonsensitive information. Think about it, the US government does alot to keep the people united, how can the people be united if they knew everything. Why is it that so much information is classified?



posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by MR BOB
Police didnt take advantage there. she was asking for it. so what?

Its not illegal to have sex with a stranger.(as long as she was 18+)


Except they were on duty. it is illegal to have sex with a stranger in a public place. it's also not sanctioned when you are on duty.


the excuses people will dig up....

[edit on 1-11-2009 by antonia]


Wait so they had sex? or not?

I assumed all that happened is all we saw on the clip.....


[edit on 1-11-2009 by _Phoenix_]



posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by calstorm

Originally posted by Phenomium

Originally posted by calstorm
reply to post by Phenomium
 


That's the most pathetic thing I have ever heard. And a bad stereotype of women to boot. So if you want a woman bad enough you just rape her because you can't control your self? Grow some balls. Fortunately for us women there are real men out there who don't give into the lame mind set.


First off, they didn't rape her. She did more than they did in the video. As for you being a "real woman" ....if you are the example for a real woman then who needs 'em? "Grow some balls?" that's the classiest thing I think I've heard yet from a woman. I never said anything about a man raping a woman to get what he wants. Typical, to twist the words of a man in your favor. I don't think any man, any where has ever had to deal with a woman trying to twist his words against him and had the woman create percieved, unspoken statements out of statements that were something entirely different. No, that has never happened to man LOL. What is pathetic is your attempt to twist a sentence and it's structure to benefit your argument of nothing. It's the equivalent of hitting below the belt....yeah, where those things are that I ostensibly just grew. A lucky guy is the man who gets a woman as classy as you. If you are a "real woman" who is worthy of a real man......how about showing some decorum.

[edit on 1-11-2009 by Phenomium]

Who is twisting whos words? You said men are a slave to their impulses. So I asked YOU a simple question. Are you such a slave to your impulses that you couldn't stop your self from raping a woman? Where do you draw the line? You are right about one thing, I'm not classy, I'm to jaded for that. I'm a woman who has had to become the "man" of the house because men now days don't know how to change a spark plug or fix the dishwasher, and heaven forbid they are brave enough to climb a ladder to clear the leaves out of the gutters. I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty, not because I want to but because I have to since men have become so helpless these days. Not all men, but a lot, and I don't blame them, I blame our parents generation. I know there are some good ole southern boys out there who don't have this problem. Ya'll need to come teach these Cali suits a thing or two.


That's my point right there, about the twisting of words. Who was even talking about rape at all? A man not being able to control his sexual "cravings"...not "impulses".....does not equate to rape. You used the word impulse like its a gene in the recesses of a mans mind that rivals that of a serial killer as if it can't be controlled. It's not an impulse, it's a sexual craving that is inate to man that promotes his desire to propagate his lineage. It is a drive that is a bit hard to handle sometimes, but does not equate the desire to rape a woman. No one anywhere was speaking of rape or even insinuated it. Only you. furthermore, the reason why men can't do anything anymore (change spark plugs etc.), is because we used to do it as a chivalrous gesture to appreciative women, now all we have is women who are fueled by feminists organizations, and trained to not to need men, want them, or hell, even for them to exist.... therefore, men have no reason to do these things for women anymore. It's not so much that we can't, it's that we won't, It's not worth the trouble anymore. Women today are so high and mighty and they claim to not need men.........until some other crazy man tries to takem out, then all of the sudden ,....they need us. I lay the blame on THIS generation, don't blame your parents for your spoiled rotten faults and selfishness. Besides, case in point........you, yourself claim to be more like a man, where are the women that used to be, well..............women?

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posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 10:37 PM
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Police abusing their powers?

WAT IS DA WURLD CUMING 2?!?

It's not as if this stuff just happens nowadays, it's happened since the very beginning.

There are good and bad. They can be totally despicable and corrupt human beings, but some of them are good.

Yep, I just gave a cliched opinion. I don't care.



posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 10:37 PM
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You brought up the word impulse
n.

1.
1. An impelling force; an impetus.
2. The motion produced by such a force.
2. A sudden wish or urge that prompts an unpremeditated act or feeling; an abrupt inclination: had an impulse to run away; an impulse of regret that made me hesitate; bought a hat on impulse.
3. A motivating force or tendency: "Respect for the liberty of others is not a natural impulse in most men" (Bertrand Russell).

I merely asked a question directed at you, which I have still not received an answer.Now you are just twisting your own words around.
And yes I do blame the last generation because most people are this way because no one bothered to teach them any different.
as for being spoiled and selfish, you don't know anything about me. Every thing I have I earned myself, and every thing I know I taught myself, while having to play mom to my own parents who couldn't get it through their drug fried brains that it was no longer 1969 and they now had a child to take care of. Selfish? Maybe I have had to work hard for what I have, and after growing up with nothing, do tend to be a little protective over what I have especially when you know how temporal things truly are.

edit for spelling.

[edit on 1-11-2009 by calstorm]



posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 11:30 PM
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People have Forgotten About This!

Another cop has literally gotten away with what appears like murder. A Muscogee County, Georgia, grand jury refused November 23 to indict former Deputy David Glisson in the December 10, 2003, killing of 39-year-old black man Kenneth Walker. As DRCNet readers may recall, Walker was killed by two shots to the head after being pulled out a vehicle drug agents mistakenly thought was that of a Florida drug dealer. He was unarmed. There were no drugs (stopthedrugwar.org...).

Walker's killing roiled the community, inspiring civil rights marches, prayer vigils, and becoming an issue in local political races. It also inspired a raucous visit by the Rev. Al Sharpton, who addressed more than 300 people at a Columbus church shortly after the shooting. "I say that someone has got to bring to a national level the brutality of law enforcement and the people sworn to uphold the law. We cannot have people that are sworn to uphold the law think they can become the law," Sharpton said (stopthedrugwar.org...).

The grand jury deliberated for 41 minutes after hearing from seven witnesses -- five of them police officers -- and watching a videotape of the shooting captured from by a police vehicle camera. According to accounts of those who have seen the videotape collected by the Columbus Ledger-Enquire, the video, which was shown publicly only after the grand jury finished its deliberations, show no struggle, just the startling sound of two shots, with surprised officers milling around. It also shows Walker lying on the ground unattended for two minutes before officers began first aid attempts.

"I saw the incident live and in color," said deputy city manager Isaiah Hugley. "What I saw was devastating. I knew Kenny Walker. He was a fraternity brother of mine. His father was one of my teachers. It's personal with me. Because of my position with the city, I will maintain a neutral position despite strong personal feelings."

"People can now see on the video that Kenneth Walker was brutally murdered without provocation on December 10," said Bill Campbell, attorney for the Walker family.

"I can't see any reason Kenny Walker died that night. I saw an individual laying there that should be alive. I can't describe it," said Edward DuBose, president of Columbus NAACP.

The grand jury was apparently watching another video. Its decision means there is no chance former Deputy Glisson will face state criminal charges. But the killing was also investigated by the FBI. The Ledger-Enquirer reported that the FBI has forwarded its findings to the US Department of Justice, which could seek to file a criminal or civil case against Glisson for civil rights violations.

Walker's family isn't waiting. Their attorneys told the Ledger-Enquirer they will file a civil lawsuit against Glisson within a matter of days

stopthedrugwar.org...



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by Ha`la`tha
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Love the excuses tho guys. Will have to remember it the next time a woman is raped or abused; if she was drunk then she deserved it.

Right on brothas.




Except most misogynist idiots would be quite quick to say any woman who gets drunk is asking for it. That's a common defense in court and it works. I remember a man was acquitted because his victim somehow convinced him to use a condom. There's a lot of people out there who hate women and I
have no idea why.


Wait, you do know I was being facetious right?

I hear it all the time here in Australia, usually involving high profile footballers who think that if it's OK with a drunk chick for one, then the rest can join in. Hey shes drunk, shes up for it. SAme as thise cops thought.

They OFTEN get off.. It makes me sick.

No woman, EVER, should be treated sich such disrespect.

Reverse the role. Drunk guy gets in a car with 4 or 5 blokes, and is lead to a bashing. What damn court in the world would say HE participated in it, even if he was joking and playing with the scum before hand.



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 12:54 AM
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Originally posted by Laurauk
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You are taken 1 thing and making it into 100 times than it was.

Did I say I supported those cops involved?

NO,

I said look at both sides of the argument!

So get your facts right before you, go accusing me of sticking up for the police, from which ever country that happens to be!!!

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There is ONLY one side to look at. The side that will put you in jail for breaking the law. They cannot have their cake and eat it too.

You said SHE deserved to be charged. I said SHE was a victim. Drunk or menatally retarded or whatever, those officers had in their call of duty, the responsibility to ensure she was safe from abuse. They ABUSED her, regardless of how petty you think it was.

Or can anyone take advantage of a drunk woman, because hey, shes drunk.

Why do people put their trust in the LAW, if those given that trust, can say "Aww shes drunk, lets party!" throwing away all responsibility. BOLLOCKS.

That is *NOT* trust. It is blatant disregard for anything they are supposed to uphold.

I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone can support this. Unless they also think that a womans worth is nothing.




posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by Laurauk
Question, was the officers in the first clip dealt with? Under disciplinary procedures, or was this washed under the carpet?

Just wondering... Awaits Ha`la`tha responce since he/she seems to think, I am clueless.

[edit on 1-11-2009 by Laurauk]


THIS IS WHAT YOUR OFFENSIVE U2U WAS ABOUT?

My god.



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posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by Phenomium
Actually they were there "TO SERVE" and protect her. She clearly was in no real danger and they were more than willing to .........oh look a shiny coin.


Ahh thats OK then, as long as she is treated like the drunk whore she was.

It's all good.



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by wiredamerican
Police take advantage of drunk girl, police state resource thread.

I do not see anything wrong on the video myself. All that I see on the video is flirting and flaunting. Both natural human behavior. Men cops are attracted to good looking women too. Nothing wrong with that. I feel the only thing the police officers are guilty of is being human.


Thats the problem. They are on duty.. Hey most blokes like a drink too. Why not ply them with alcohol on duty.

This is an obvious case of LEO flaunting their own law, and at the same time demeaning a woman. You can see by the damn behaviour she was so out of it, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROTECTING HER from predatory behaviour.

My bloody god, this needs to be reiterated for everyone???????

Why did that let that silly girl drag me back into this abhorrent thread.



posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:11 AM
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They were on duty and were dealt with, they no longer are police officers.

Aside from being on duty, they really didn't do anything that outrageous. You act as if they belong in jail.

Give me a few seconds to put on my flame retardent suit before you reply.



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