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reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 06:50 PM by buds84

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
reply to post by buds84

I realize that . . . but to say that people of ONLY African decent are the Hebrews is wrong. WHy are you trying to turn things to fit something that is wrong?

I never said "only" African decent are Hebrews?

I said Africans are "NOT" related to the Israelites at all, they are from Ham.

reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 06:56 PM by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by buds84

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
reply to post by buds84

I realize that . . . but to say that people of ONLY African decent are the Hebrews is wrong. WHy are you trying to turn things to fit something that is wrong?

I never said "only" African decent are Hebrews?

I said Africans are "NOT" related to the Israelites at all, they are from Ham.

Fair enough . . . I misquoted/misunderstood you. I should drop the politically correct stuff.

Either way, a clear path of migration can be seen through West Asia and into Europe, where they eventually came across to North America

It does not make sense any other way.

This is not to say that there are no darkskinned Israelites, but to completely take out anyone else is blatantly wrong.

Oh, and Jesus was not black. According to the Gospel of Matthew, when Jesus was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane before the Crucifixion, Judas Iscariot had to indicate to the soldiers whom Jesus was because they could not tell him apart.

So either a majority of people in Israel at the time were black, or Jesus was not.

Choose one . . . but I know which one history says is true.

Edit: And he was not white either.

[edit on 11/2/2009 by Lemon.Fresh]

reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 07:00 PM by buds84

Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by buds84

I'm sorry but this just makes no sense to me and sounds like propaganda. What that's essentially saying is that everyone in the entire world just about EXCEPT those who are currently inhabiting Israel are the 'real Jews.' Including native Americans, Mexicans, and South Americans. How did they get over there I wonder after the diaspora when the land wasn't even discovered yet? Sorry, I really believe that information is incorrect.

I'll be happy to break those down one by one if need be to explain where the tribes were believed to have ended up. For the time being, I'll just leave it at the above information being horribly wrong.

Ok like that fellow Sharrow asked I did a search on what he told me to so I can find something to discredit myself.

On the first search page on google searching "Jewish slave ships" like he asked me to.

Here is what I found.

www.wake-up-america.net...

Jews who had been banished from Constantinople by the Byzantine ruler, Leo III, found a home amongst these heretofore pagan Khazars and, in competition with Mohammedan and Christian missionaries, won them over to the Judaic faith. Bulan, the ruler of Khazaria, became Converted to Judaism around 740 A.D. His nobles and, somewhat later, his people followed suit. Some details of these events are contained in letters exchanged between Khagan Joseph of Khazaria and R. Hasdai Ibn Shaprut of Cordova, doctor and quasi foreign minister to Sultan Abd al-Rahman, the Caliph of Spain. This correspondence (around 936-950) was first published in 1577 to prove that the Jews still had a country of their own - namely, the Kingdom of Khazaria. Judah Halevi knew of the letters even in 1140. Their authenticity has since been established beyond doubt.

That the Khazars are the lineal ancestors of Eastern European Jewry is a historical fact. Jewish historians and religious text books acknowledge the fact, though the propagandists of Jewish nationalism belittle it as pro-Arab propaganda. Somewhat ironically, Volume IV of the Jewish Encyclopedia - because this publication spells Khazars with a "C" instead of a "K" - is titled "Chazars to Dreyfus": and it was the Dreyfus trial, as interpreted by Theodor Herzl, that made the modern Jewish Khazars of Russia forget their descent from converts to Judaism and accept anti-Semitism as proof of their Palestinian origin.

Theres enough proof out there showing Jewish people of today are NOT the original Israelites.

reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 07:05 PM by Sharrow

Originally posted by buds84Theres enough proof out there showing Jewish people of today are NOT the original Israelites.

At least we're agreeing in something.

Second line.

reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 07:07 PM by EMPIRE

While I don't accept the theory presented by the OP, I'd surely accept it before I accept the utterly ridiculous claim that real Hebrews are white (Celt, American, British, etc.) Also, YHWH/HA-SHEM said he would give the land back to the people, and made no mention of the Balfour Declaration, Lord Rothschild or Khazers, so believing that YHWH/HA-SHEM placed them in the land is utter folly.

In closing, LOL@”the jews” returning in the 20th century.

reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 07:07 PM by Lemon.Fresh

reply to post by buds84

You need to make a distinction between Jews and Israelites. I do believe that the Jews have a remnant of the tribe of Judah. I also believe that the rest of the tribes are spread to the ends of the earth.

[edit on 11/2/2009 by Lemon.Fresh]

reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 07:08 PM by buds84

Originally posted by Sharrow
reply to post by buds84

You still not learned anything. Mocking is not going to solve this at all.

Now, the search parameters: Jewish slave ships. There you'll get the desired data about the owners, the ship names.

Here you go. This is just one.
www.rense.com...

It's also naming at least half of that land that you mentioned. How strange. But if you find the rest, the rest will also prove my claiming.

[edit on 2-11-2009 by Sharrow]

Ok I read the link you gave me (knowing rense.com is not exactly a credible source)

All it says is Jews, as in Khazar Jews got into slavery trade in 1648, which I already knew.

Khazar Jews enslaving Hebrew Israelites about 1600 years after Israelites left Israel?

What else is new?

reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 07:09 PM by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by EMPIRE
While I don't accept the theory presented by the OP, I'd surely accept it before I accept the utterly ridiculous claim that real Hebrews are white (Celt, American, British, etc.) Also, YHWH/HA-SHEM said he would give the land back to the people, and made no mention of the Balfour Declaration, Lord Rothschild or Khazers, so believing that YHWH/HA-SHEM placed them in the land is utter folly.

In closing, LOL@”the jews” returning in the 20th century.

Make a new thread and post you arguments against it.

reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 07:12 PM by EMPIRE

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

Nope. Sorry. But if you want to you can make the thread and I might indulge. Keyword being might...

reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 07:13 PM by AshleyD

reply to post by buds84

Thanks for your reply. I did a thread on the 'Kharzarian Jew' issue a while back:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 07:19 PM by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by EMPIRE
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

Nope. Sorry. But if you want to you can make the thread and I might indulge. Keyword being might...

Cop out if I ever saw one.

Lets provide an argument, but no proof!

Yay for denying ignorance!

reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 07:29 PM by buds84

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

In all honest it will be really hard to provide a good argument against the topic.

I myself have searched all over for any other group of people that fit the description of the Biblical Israelites and their punishment and came up with nothing at all.

But I'm open to any other claims if anyone has some group of people they can some what prove and fit the description of the Biblical Israelites.

Googling "Hebrew Israelites" just puts me in exact place my topic is claiming.

reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 07:31 PM by EMPIRE

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

It isn't a cop out. My statements are within the confines of the topic and, therefore, a new thread is not required. Any person reading any version of the OT can read where YHWH/HA-SHEM said he would restore the people to the land. No Zionists, no Balfour Declaration, no people lusting for Argentina or Uganda for their homeland (this is where they were going to set up), no Herzl, nothing. Moreover, a person can pick up a history book and see the beliefs of British-Israelism are comical and only supported by wishful thinking and long stretches of vivid imaginations.

[edit on 2-11-2009 by EMPIRE]

reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 07:51 PM by Lemon.Fresh

reply to post by buds84

Funny how the same research can lead to two polar opposite theoris.

S&F for you for your research

Originally posted by EMPIRE
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

It isn't a cop out. My statements are within the confines of the topic and, therefore, a new thread is not required. Any person reading any version of the OT can read where YHWH/HA-SHEM said he would restore the people to the land. No Zionists, no Balfour Declaration, no people lusting for Argentina or Uganda for their homeland (this is where they were going to set up), no Herzl, nothing. Moreover, a person can pick up a history book and see the beliefs of British-Israelism are comical and only supported by wishful thinking and long stretches of vivid imaginations.

[edit on 2-11-2009 by EMPIRE]

1.) Does God say HOW He is going to do it, or just that He will restore the people to the land He promised them?

2.) Once again, more claims with no proof.

reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 08:00 PM by EMPIRE

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

1. Yes he says it will be by his hand. Why don't you try reading the book of Isaiah as it clearly says HE will do it, not Zionists, Rothschilds, Balfour Declarations, etc.

2. The proof is in history books and any version of the OT. Don't blame me because you adhere to cult like beliefs.

reply posted on 3-11-2009 @ 12:38 PM by Tussilago

Originally posted by buds84
These are the lost Tribes of Israel

Judah — Black Americans
Benjamin — West Indians (Caribbean)
Levi — Haitians
Simeon — Dominicans
Zebulon — Guatemalans, Panamanians
Ephraim — Puerto Ricans
Manasseh — Cubans
Gad — Native American Indians
Reuben — Seminole Indians
Asher — Colombians, Uruguayans
Napthali — Argentines, Chileans
Issachar — Mexicans
Some Australians, Hawaiian, New Zealand and Irish slaves also.

Gods chosen people.

This is nonsense. Jews living today show close racial affinity and share a distinct Mideastern genetic background wherever they live in the world, which is a telltale sign of their shared Hebrew ancestry. The above mentioned ethnic groups do not.

Jew in Israel today are the IMPOSTORS the Bible talks about know as Khazar Jews from 740 A.D. A lot of Jews know about this, and a lot of Jews just don't know they have been lied to.

This is untrue. While the Khazars (a Turkish people which converted to Judaism in the 8th century) probably contributed some to the Yiddish speaking genepool in for instance the Ukraine and Poland, their racial footprint has been greatly exaggerated even in regard to east European Jews. The dominant haplogroup markers carried by modern day Jews, as mentioned above, are instead from the Middle East and not Turkish and/or Mongolian in origin.
In short, despite tremendous pressure for assimilation among gentile host societies, Jews have managed, against all odds, to maintain substantial racial purity for roughly 3000 years. This, if nothing else, is testament to the strongly ethnocentric character of Jewish society.

[edit on 3-11-2009 by Tussilago]

reply posted on 3-11-2009 @ 02:30 PM by buds84

Originally posted by Tussilago

This is nonsense. Jews living today show close racial affinity and share a distinct Mideastern genetic background wherever they live in the world, which is a telltale sign of their shared Hebrew ancestry. The above mentioned ethnic groups do not.

Jew in Israel today are the IMPOSTORS the Bible talks about know as Khazar Jews from 740 A.D. A lot of Jews know about this, and a lot of Jews just don't know they have been lied to.

This is untrue. While the Khazars (a Turkish people which converted to Judaism in the 8th century) probably contributed some to the Yiddish speaking genepool in for instance the Ukraine and Poland, their racial footprint has been greatly exaggerated even in regard to east European Jews. The dominant haplogroup markers carried by modern day Jews, as mentioned above, are instead from the Middle East and not Turkish and/or Mongolian in origin.
In short, despite tremendous pressure for assimilation among gentile host societies, Jews have managed, against all odds, to maintain substantial racial purity for roughly 3000 years. This, if nothing else, is testament to the strongly ethnocentric character of Jewish society.

[edit on 3-11-2009 by Tussilago]

Ok please tell me you know what the word "CONVERT" means?
You can't take a white man and convert him into a black man.

when did Khazar Jews go through the punishment of 400 years of slavery and oppression, ect listed in the Bible?
I'm guessing you haven't read a Bible yet.

They took over Israel in 740 A.D from the Assyrians after lusting for it like every one else on the planet, and pretended to be from the Tribe of Judah after converting.
You can't convert yourself into a bloodline no matter how hard you try.

As I said before the so called Jewish people today are not and do not fit the Israelites in the Bible at all.

Feel free to show some similarities between the Israelites in the Bible and Jewish people today.

reply posted on 3-11-2009 @ 04:22 PM by buds84

And what do we have here?

The Mayans ARE Israelites? just like I said.

Book: The Mayan Moses

www.noahsark-naxuan.com...

[
"Then we have this amazing statement:
“These then were the three nations of the Quichés, and they came from where the sun rises, descendants of
Israel, of the same language and the same customs...When they arrived at the edge of the sea, Balam Quitzé
touched it with his staff and at once a path opened, which then closed up again, for thus the great god wished it
to be done, because they were the sons of Abraham and Jacob.”
- Titulo de los Señores de Totanicapán p. 170."

"Comparison / Transliteration:
Mayan: CHOLOCHIC ABAH BOCO TAHINAC ZANAIEB
Hebrew: ba ˆw[x ˚a μht [qb hba ˚a qlj
Phonetic: kalak- ak aw- bah bo-ko’ teh-hom’-ak tzeh-on- ab
Hebrew to English: SURELY (the) SEA DIVIDED [ becoming smooth as stones to walk upon ], IT
WILLINGLY OPENED, TRULY (the) FATHER (s) MIGRATED (crossed).
At first blush, it seems to be the identical story doesn’t it? That’s only because it IS the same story.
More importantly it is the SAME LANGUAGE!" ]

Everyone going around thinking 2012 is some crazy Mayan dooms day calender when it really is marking the the end of the 400 years of punishment.
All these Pyramids around the world are not some weird unknown phenomenon, it was the Israelites the whole time.
Everyone got tricked.

The elites know who the Israelites are, it's their biggest secret, they spent billions wiping out Israel history, just as predicted in the Bible.

All these people going around believing in evolution when it was a trick by Satin.

The Bible is the greatest story ever told, the way it predicted the future 2000+ years and we all lived out the story accordingly when it was right in front of our face, thanks to brainwashing that worked quite well.

reply posted on 3-11-2009 @ 04:25 PM by TheWalkingFox

reply to post by buds84

Guh. So much bad in one place, that even I don't know where to start...

The Seminole? Really? Really?

reply posted on 3-11-2009 @ 04:27 PM by buds84