So people actually TRUST the government with their HEALTH?!?

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

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What?!?!?

Someone posted a spam post calling ATS a "disinfo" site, and I defended ATS.

That post was removed and mine was overlaid with an "extreme" T&C violation.

Wow.

And part of the spam mentioned overpowered mod's, whom I defended as not being disinfo agents.

reply to post by ZombieOctopus

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I've never doubted it was hype in anyway. I've made no secret in the medical threads of my support for single payer. I just figure if we have a truly global user base, surely we can hear differing views.

I'm sure the nay sayers will be along any minute to assure you of how much your health care sucks in their opinion.

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

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Yes I saw your post was in defense. I think the problem is you quoted their post, maybe next time just lay a reply.

Anyway back to the topic, are you hearing what our northern friends are saying about their government health care?

Um, wow, I guess I needed to enumerate that this post was in reference to the United States governmnet, meaning everything I said was about the US gov, so therefore any and all talk about Canada's socialist healthcare system is Red Herring.

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

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I don't believe it is. What if our government set up a system just like theirs, would you still be opposed?

I don't see any stories coming out of there country of people laying around dying because of a lack of health care.

reply to post by ZombieOctopus

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Thank you for that and for posting.
Unfortunately we are scared witless,...and clueless.
Hence the heavy use of the derogatory term, socialism.

I think we may actually enjoy this paranoia.
Thats why it works so well against us consistantly.
Like death and taxes, it can be counted on.
Oh well, at least we HAD a great country once.

reply to post by Seiko

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Don't believe WHAT is?

How does what you said just now even apply to my original questions in this thread?

More horror for halloween:

search.yahoo.com...;_ylt=A0oGkknSMe1KKw4AUxlXNyoA?p=man+denied+emergency+care&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-832&sao=1

What if this was a family member?

Sorry for the multiple posts.
Stuff happens.......

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Ok, sorry, I guess I should have said Nationalisation of healthcare?

Whatever, I did post questions in the OP, could anybody answer any of them?

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

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We're talking about government health care. We have people stating it works.

I can't tell you if the u.s. government health care for all would work, because we do not have it.

Now some parts of out country do have government health care. My grandmother loved her medicare. She had two heart surgeries, and was taken very good care of with her "government " health care.

The v.a. whilst having problems with funding, is a shining example of socialized health care in the united states. I know many who go to v.a. hospitals, and none of them have ever said they wished they could pay for health insurance, and leave the v.a. system.

edit: in fairness in my first reply here i asked what type you were referring to.

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reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

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Sorry I didnt mean you specifically.
I just think whenever we are scared of losing our rights,
we all use this word like its bad or something.
Ironically, all the while spiraling towards fascism. Go figure!

The term doesnt have to be 'bad' for us.
We somehow think we lose something.
I dont get it.
Off to answer your questions, be right back!

reply to post by Seiko

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Good post.
If our health care system wasn't a 'for profit' industry,
we would be better off.
The trouble is, money being more important than people.
This is criminal, IMO.

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

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No, because everyone knows our healthcare is corrupt to the core. It is about making money, making the share holders happy it’s a business without scruples. Do you all really think these greedy insurance companies care about any of you?

Now the government wants to give the open options to the private insurances companies so they can make a killing, jacking up premiums, deny coverage to certain procedures, and we are right back were we started.

I know.

Wouldn't it be great if you didn't need money to help you stay alive in the United States of America (and other countries)?

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

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Thank you!

I appologize to you for not answering sooner. Here goes.
The best thing is for the people to take control of their OWN
health instead of blindly following anyone else.
We are all fairly different in how we react to drugs, our metabolism,
various treatments, etc.

That is why it is so important to know yourself!
No one can as well as you.
You know you better than anyone.

Sure it takes work, research, trial and error and an open mind.
After all, mark my words here people,
if you dont have your health, you have nothing and can give nothing.
Think about it.

This comes from many years experience in the real world,
and many lessons learned therein.

Healthcare is for the very rich who can afford to pay these high premiums.
The only way the poor can get and afford healthcare today is to become total disable and apply for disability. Other than that, you’re out of luck and god forbid you have a preexistent condition.

reply to post by RestingInPieces

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It really would be!
We would all pay about 40 bucks a month for our care, like other
'developed' countries do. Wow, imagine that! Good call!
We just pay the lawyers for our medical bankruptcy courts instead!
We got it all figured out dont we?

S & F!

[edit on 1-11-2009 by dodadoom]

You know the answer -

#@!#! em its not me!

I mean all you need is one tooth really.

Ya it maddening -

Protect freedom!!! - protect your slavery to the middle man!

What a sham

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

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Gee man, I would say when is the last time I opened a bill that was not inflated to pay for
advertising, marketing, lawyers, Ceo's and Indian call centers?

I can certainly tell you when that last time it was that I was screwed by big business.
It was Friday - yesterday and then it was Tuesday - First my insurance company (home)
posted the NOV 6 payment on Oct 30th and then BOFA rammed me up the butt with
8 over draft charges. So frankly I have been boned nine times this week and I cannot vote anyone out... Seems to happen every month, some fat elite company sticks their
paws on my money, extracts it and then the person who was supposed to be guarding my money gets the second go at MY money, that I worked for, God Bless America!

So I say to you feel free to keep your private insurance, but don't block my ability
to try something new, it is a free market right? So be free and do your thing and I will
try mine. If it fails, well we can all have a party in ten years celebrating the doubling of our premiums in the private world.



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