So people actually TRUST the government with their HEALTH?!?, page 1

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Topic started on 1-11-2009 @ 12:44 AM by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Forget the typical anti-socialist arguments for a minute, please name ANYTHING the fed has done right in your lifetime besides kill people. Explain it to me. WHY trust the Fed with your health. And explain what it ever does right besides rape us and kill others in wars.

My argument is simple, 'socialist' healthcare might work under some systems of government in the world, but to turn our health over to this system is insanity.

"I'm with the Federal Government and I'm here to help".

Are you kidding me? Does it really take a history lesson for people to even question the idea of not trusting the government?

So PLEASE, please teach us why we should trust the government with our health / lives.

EDIT: This post s about the "United States" "Federal Government", NOT the Canadian healthcare system. Therefore, any and all talk about the ups and downs of the healthcare from any other government is obscene red herring.

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reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 12:46 AM by Seiko

The irs seems to consistently take money from me.

I'd have to have some understanding of what you mean by socialist health care though.

reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 12:54 AM by poppoppop

reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 01:01 AM by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

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reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 01:03 AM by ExPostFacto

You are right OP, under the current system and corruption government ran healthcare cannot work properly. I think with a different focus than we could pull this off, but the government would need to shift to non politicians. The corruption runs way to deep to give them the pen to create a playbook of what we get, when we get it, and how it is given.

reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 01:30 AM by Maddogkull

I live in Canada and we are like a socialist country, and I have no problem with healthcare here. I think it is amazing healthcare. That’s just my opinion though.

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reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 01:33 AM by Seiko

reply to post by Maddogkull

Hey while you're here. Have you ever heard of anyone in canada ever being denied medical care? I'm not asking about elective surgery. Has anyone ever died in canada because they were denied care?

reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 01:37 AM by Maddogkull

While I can’t speak for the country, I guess it could be possible, why not it happens everywhere. But from a personal experience, even from alittle kid, I have never gotten denied medical care.

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reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 01:38 AM by RestingInPieces

If I imagine my country WITHOUT a federal government, state government, and local government.

I don't like it - mostly because of the nature of humans.

What's left is what my government does for me.

Thanks, government - from the bottom of my heart because a little corruption is a whole lot better that a whole lot of corruption.

reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 01:39 AM by ZombieOctopus

Originally posted by Seiko
reply to post by Maddogkull

Hey while you're here. Have you ever heard of anyone in canada ever being denied medical care? I'm not asking about elective surgery. Has anyone ever died in canada because they were denied care?

Doctors can't deny you care here, for any reason.

reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 01:40 AM by Maddogkull

Agreed, without governments, it would be like Somalia (in a way). We need governments, can you picture a world where it is all dictatorship, or anarchy?

reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 01:41 AM by RestingInPieces

Originally posted by ZombieOctopus

Originally posted by Seiko
reply to post by Maddogkull

Hey while you're here. Have you ever heard of anyone in canada ever being denied medical care? I'm not asking about elective surgery. Has anyone ever died in canada because they were denied care?

Doctors can't deny you care here, for any reason.

They can deny you health care when you have no insurance or money.

... where do you live?

reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 01:43 AM by Seiko

reply to post by ZombieOctopus

I was specifically asking if the "government" had ever denied health care. Perhaps you haven't noticed all the alarmists on this site opposed to "socialized' medicine saying that it will inevitably lead to rationed care and people dying.

I figure why not hear from people that have single payer, and live it, and stop hypothesizing about what might be.

I'd love to hear your honest opinion on your health care up there.

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reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 01:43 AM by ZombieOctopus

Originally posted by RestingInPieces

Originally posted by ZombieOctopus

Originally posted by Seiko
reply to post by Maddogkull

Hey while you're here. Have you ever heard of anyone in canada ever being denied medical care? I'm not asking about elective surgery. Has anyone ever died in canada because they were denied care?

Doctors can't deny you care here, for any reason.

They can deny you health care when you have no insurance or money.

... where do you live?

In Canada, you don't need a dime

Denying patients health care is criminal, at best.

reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 01:45 AM by Maddogkull

reply to post by ZombieOctopus

Yeah, they can’t deny you healthcare, but they can be rude and arrogant, if you were a past time smoker. Coming from personal experience some doctors won’t actually help you as much if you abuse a certain substance. So in a way they deny you healthcare by not actually getting down to the problem for some individuals. For the most part, the doctors in Canada are good people though. Majority will help you out, no matter what you have done.

reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 01:46 AM by dodadoom

A woman who lay bleeding on the emergency room floor of a troubled inner-city hospital died after 911 dispatchers refused to contact paramedics or an ambulance to take her to another facility, newly released tapes of the emergency calls reveal.

Just one story......
www.cbsnews.com...
Nope, no problems here!
Keep sending in tax money so we can have these services!
The corrupt need it worse than us and will always get it first.

reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 01:48 AM by ZombieOctopus

reply to post by Seiko

I'm not sure what to say about it. I mean, if you're sick, injured, or just feel like talking to a doctor, you go in and get taken care of, no strings attached. I've never even been denied anything considered "elective"...

The whole "rationing of care" thing, is American myth/propaganda.

reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 01:49 AM by Maddogkull

I think socialist healthcare is amazing. At least in Canada. I have known people that go to the states, and have gotten a heart attack, and actually got heli back to Toronto to get surgery, because in U.S it would of cost them like $50,000.

reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 01:49 AM by dodadoom

Still more:

A 67-year-old Brooklyn woman was taken in a private ambulance to Kings Highway Hospital Center on Dec. 16. The woman was turned away by an emergency room nurse, and died soon afterward of a heart attack at Brookdale Hospital and Medical Center.

www.nytimes.com...
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