Visit this Site for Constantly Updated Ukraine Infection & Death Statistics

I came across a web site which keeps track of the stats in Ukraine regarding infection numbers, numbers of hospitalized cases, numbers of people in intensive care and "official" death stats. Obviously the official numbers are not likely to be representative of the whole picture over there but it's better than nothing. So far around 165,000 infected . The website is the site of the Ukraine's Ministry of Health.

Here's the Link

Also I found a forum discussing the Ukraine events at length and there is a Dr Niman who posts there, I think it is the same Dr Niman who operates

recombinonics.com

He was the one who posted a link to the above website with the stats.

The forum is here....link takes you to the middle of an ongoing discussion

Might we worth keeping an eye on all 3 sites for news and updates, Dr Niman knows his stuff so his views on the forum are worth considering.


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Thanks for the links, but I decided to research on news from UK and I found many sites that are not really speaking out about the viral infections in that nation.

The site I found that touch the topic is this one.

www.ukranews.com...



Are they reliable?



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Have you been keeping up to date with the news and reports coming in over at the big thread in the breaking news section.......?
Go Here

Reports of tens of thousands infected are coming in from various places, all the figures you mention are simply confirmed cases of H1N1 but remember no-one really knows WHAT the virus is causing the thousands to be infected...the western media are saying H1N1 whereas Ukrainian reports are saying all they know is it is NOT the swine flu ! Who really knows just yet, only time will tell.

The website I linked to is the Ministry of Health for the Ukraine so it's as "official" as it gets really

Yes I have been keeping up with the thread even if I don't post, because I am very interested on what is going on specially from people that are able to post and are from Ukraine.

Still the news are so confusing and is two even more different sites of the story.

You know that here in the US we can not trust the media when it comes to news oversea, and the INTERNET becomes very confusing when you try to filter the real news from just propaganda.

It is so frustrating.

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Acute respiratory disease of unknown etiology (22 deaths) - Ukraine (Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk region) ****************************** ************************************************** *** (01) October 29, 2009 [Moderator HF] www.regnum.ru... In western Ukraine, a mysterious epidemic is raging, from which 20 people have died --------- -------------------------------------------------- - In Ternopil region of Ukraine is raging epidemic, which has already died a few dozen people, and approximately the same number are in serious condition. told Chief of the Central Health Administration in the Ternopil region Bogdan Konyskiv, the situation can be characterized as rather complex, because it increases the number of patients . "Already hospitalized with the disease 262, of whom in critical condition - 16. Among the injured there are 18 children in the districts and 70 - in Ternopil," - he said. Onyskiv also noted that all the dead ternopolchane were ill with pneumonia (pneumonia). "All ten conducted dissection study. Eight were doing the autopsy, two more who died at home, inspected the medical examiners. All were diagnosed as pneumonia," - said the doctor. He informed that the death rate from pneumonia was the case last year, but at the moment different age and number of deaths in a short period. "In the past year from respiratory disease died on 31 people for three months, and this year 20 in two weeks," - noted Onyskiv. The main cause of deaths physician believes that patients seek treatment too late to help - to 5-th and 6-th day. According to him, they were at home and do self-medicate and have acted in such a state that saved them was very difficult, yet another cause of death he described as an infectious factor. In turn, the Minister for Health Vasyl Knyazevich states that will soon be made public the exact causes of the results death. " "We know that this is the nature of viral infection. Our ministry has already requested assistance from the World Health Organizations and their experts and laboratories are ready to connect and provide us with assistance. We are currently working on the specific nature of the virus," - said the minister. In turn, Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko called on all organizations and employers with a request in the event of illness of their employees to immediately release them home, "to prevent the massive spread of infection." (02) From: ProMED-mail Corinthians VM (translated from ukr. ) Source: IA: "PRAVDA.com.ua, 28 October 2009 [Moderator HF] pravda.com.ua... in Ukraine pneumonia killed 20 people - Ministry of Health -------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- In the month of October in the three western regions of Ukraine for preliminary diagnosis of "pneumonia" killed 20 people . This at a press conference Wednesday, Deputy Minister of Health Mr. Lazoryshynets. According to him, from 13 October in the Ternopil region with a preliminary diagnosis of "pneumonia" 10 people died in the Ivano-Frankivsk region - 6 people in the Lviv region from 1 Oct. 4 people died. However Lazoryshynets reported that in 2008 in Ukraine in general fell ill with pneumonia of various types of 238 676 people. " "In the Ivano-Frankivsk region 13 140, Lviv region - 11 340, and in the Ternopil - 6 760 people," - he said. Lazoryshynets also reported that in the past year in Ukraine died of pneumonia, a total of 6 465 people: " Of these, in Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast - 94, in Lviv - 245, in the Ternopil - 89. However, to clarify, the number of deaths from pneumonia compared to the same period in previous years, the chief sanitary doctor of Ukraine Alexander Bilovol said that last year the number of deaths from pneumonia was approximately the same as this year. [Comment Cor VM. "Count your chickens before they are hatched" - popular wisdom says. So, too early to say that "that last year the number of deaths from pnevmoniibyla approximately the same as this year." Given the high likelihood of outbreaks of pandemic influenza on the territory of Ukraine, the number of deaths for the remainder of the year could grow dramatically. Only for the last 3 days the number of deaths from seasonal (no exact data - what it is) of influenza in the western regions of Ukraine has increased from zero to 20. We continue to monitor the situation for influenza and SARS in Ukraine. - Cor VM] Ministry of Health of Ukraine has established an operational headquarters to prevent the spread of the disease in the Ternopil region. According to Health Minister Vasyl Knyazevich, the epidemiological situation in the country is monitored around the clock.

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Pandemic influenza (11 cases) - Ukraine (Lviv, Ternopil) ************************************ ************************************************** Date: September 30, 2009 From: ProMED-mail Corinthians BM Source: IA: "russianews.ru", September 30, 2009 [Moderator HF] www.zaxid.net... Swine influenza confirmed in 11 cases in Ukraine, 4 of them - in Lviv - MOZ ---------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- The Ministry of Health has received confirmation of 11 cases disease in the influenza A/N1N1 in the country. Told Health Minister Vasyl Knyazevich. "Ukraine has entered into an epidemic of influenza, the so-called California flu A/N1N1" - said the Minister. According to "Telekritika," the minister noted that on 29 October at the Institute of Epidemiology and Infectious Diseases.In 11 cases of confirmed influenza type A, 7 of them - Influenza A/N1N 1-California. In addition, the laboratory of virology specialists and AIDS in Central sanitation centers of Ukrainian Ministry of Health studied the materials more of eight persons from Lviv with a preliminary clinical diagnosis of SARS in the presence of influenza virus A / H1N1. Из них 4 Of these, 4 - positive for the presence of influenza virus A/N1N1- California (among the studied samples 1 - the material of the deceased). Vasily Knyazevich said that today happens meeting of the Cabinet and the Security and Defense Council, which will discuss problems confronting the epidemic of influenza, including consider the imposition of quarantine measures. Ministry of Health of Ukraine appealed to international organizations for advice and to provide the required number of influenza vaccines A/N1N 1-California. Vasily Knyazevich reported that Ukraine is provided with antiviral medicines in full. He also added that he visited the hospital Ternopil, Chernivtsi regions and met with the participation of health professionals, local authorities, students of medical universities. Kngyazevich thanked all the medical professionals who now perform their professional duties and are in the epicenter of the epidemic, providing skilled care to patients. Vasily Knyazevich urged not to panic as much as possible to adhere to recommendations for the prevention of acute respiratory infections and timely access to physicians. As reported earlier, today the Ministry of Health of Ukraine has received confirmation of swine flu in one of the 30 dead. Kniazevych announced that Ukraine had epidemics of influenza in California A/H1N1. On the evening of October 29, according to the Ministry of Health, from an unknown virus in the Ukraine, 30 people died. . Pandemic influenza has reached the western borders of Ukraine: Ternopil, Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk, Rivne and 5 regions of Ukraine, and with them the whole country, felt the sudden rise of the epidemic SARS and influenza. Today, Health Minister Vasyl Knyazevich reported that in Lviv found 4, and in Ternopil - 7 cases of infection with pandemic influenza virus (A/Kaliforniya/04/2009). In these regions, from pneumonia, which is across veroyatnoyati was complications of influenza or SARS reported to have died in the media more than 30 people. In influenza and SARS affected areas are carried out anti-epidemic measures, including quarantine in all educational institutions. Six months ago the Government allocated to the improvement of laboratory capacity to 50 million hryvnia. "Officials have successfully mastered the 50 mn, in the spring provided for the prevention of epidemic influenza. But the epidemic has come suddenly, the virus has already killed dozens of people." (donbass.ua... -lechenija-i-profilaktiki-grippa-na-vseh-ne-hvatit.html ). (donbass.ua...). At present, it appears that the conduct of laboratory examination of samples of viruses and their identification in Ukraine is still not possible. It is noteworthy that only yesterday the official sources of the Ministry of Health said only two identified imported cases of pandemic influenza (A/Kaliforniya/04/2009) on all of Ukraine. "Obviously, these data do not fully reflect the real situation on pandemic influenza in Ukraine. Today the Ukrainian government announced the highest level of threat in relation to the epidemiological situation with the new flu." ( www.izvestia.ru... ). (www.izvestia.ru...)." Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, revealing an extraordinary meeting of the Government, stated that "as long as 11 laboratory confirmed cases of the new flu. She is confident that the government time to respond to the outbreak of new viruses." She also added that "The Government has allocated half a billion hryvnia to purchase the needed quantity of drugs, medical masks, respirator and other necessary things that should be in the country to fight the epidemic". (www.ua-reporter... .com/novosti/68169). However, even in May 2009 Cabinet approved a plan to prevent the outbreak of disease among the population "swine flu." relevant disposal of the Government N446 dated 28 April 2009. According to the document must be created National and regional stockpiles of material resources in the event of a pandemic and Panzootic influenza (antiviral drugs, personal protective equipment, vaccines, equipment, disinfectants, diagnostic and expensive materials for laboratory research) and vehicles for quick use in case of necessity. " ( www.ua-reporter.com... ). (www.ua-reporter.com...). - Cor VM] Смотрите также: 27/10/09 PRO/RUS> Грипп А/Калифорния/04/2009 (2 случая смерти) - Россия (Чита) 20091027.10269 7 _______________________________________________ ProMED-RUS mailing list ProMED-RUS@promed.isid.org promed.isid.org... - Cor VM] See also: 27/10/09 PRO / RUS> Influenza A/Kaliforniya/04/2009 (2 deaths) - Russia (Chita) 20091027.10269 7 _______________________________________________ ProMED-RUS mailing list ProMED-RUS@promed.isid. org promed.isid.org...

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www.youtube.com...

News report on Ukraine h1n1 from RT. In english.

russiatoday.com...

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The flu tracker I believe is not accurate. On kansas it says there are 2525 fatal cases. I live by Kansas and I can tell you this is NOT happening there are only 12 deaths so far.
It also says there are 3411 fatal cases? The CDC reports only 2,916 with only 530 being confirmed as H1N1. This is an e-mail I recieved from the rhiza lab employees. I no longer lok at the flu tracker. They admitted their data is erronous!

Dear Michelle,

Thank you very much for bringing the suspicious Kansas numbers to our attention. This is an error that happened when the data was aggregated for the entire US and then accidentally attributed to Kansas during the geocoding process (a google maps API glitch that we will fix as soon as possible).

- Rhiza Labs FluTracker Team

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