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reply to post by Rawhemp

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While I agree that we would all be better served by eating healthier foods, precautions need to be taken even with fresh vegetables and fruits.

articles.mercola.com...

Eating healthy is a lot harder today, thanks to the people of the FDA. Foods and drugs should not be regulated by the same offices, it's a serious conflict of interest.

We will be taking the same precautions for flu this year that we have always used...no vaccine, stay home as much as possible, be sanitary. And don't trust hospitals, don't go near one unless it is a life or death emergency. The risks of exposure to infection are too great in such places.

Originally posted by AceWombat04

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by AceWombat04

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side effects will happen, like i said many times before
they don't always start right away.

I don't buy your claim

if you did take the H1N1 shot then your a sheep.

I'm a "sheep" because I have asthma, and an autoimmune disease that puts me at heightened risk for complications from even so much as the common cold? I apologize if I have in ANY way offended you or your point of view, but you don't know me, or what I go through every single time I get sick with a cold, let alone the flu. I become ill for months at a time. Yes, I took the vaccine; both the seasonal flu shot, and the novel 2009 H1N1 shot. I had to stand in line for hours to get it, so I should know.

And no, I have yet to develop ANY side effects other than those I described, which are quite common (malaise, sleepiness, and fatigue) all of which have subsided.

I fully support everyone making informed decisions FOR THEMSELVES and refraining from forcing their own point of view on others. I neither endorse nor deny the efficacy or safety of these vaccines for anyone other than myself. That, a sheep, does not make me.

Thanks.

[edit on 11/1/2009 by AceWombat04]

I believe it is up to each and everyone whether or not they will take the vaccine. The problem is there is no proof the vaccine will work but there also little to no proof it will harm a person.
Everything is basically speculation. I can't even get the vaccine because I am not in the high risk group. When I can get it; I probably won't but that is my personal choice and respect everyone's choice.
I don't see someone as a sheep for taking the vaccine; this whole swine flu thing is d@mn scary!

Originally posted by kiwifoot
reply to post by muggl3z

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Hey Bud! Have you got any links to reports or some such?

All the best, Kiwifoot!

funny how the first post always asks about links when there already are like 10 links supplied, lol.

there will be tons more vaccine deaths thats for sure.

reply to post by bad man incorporated

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It is in our Wheaties (food),
chemistry.about.com...

It is in the water we drink,
www.epa.gov...

It is in the air we breathe,
www.lightwatcher.com...
www.lenntech.com...

These are just quickly grabbed references, a true search turns up much more, some worse than others. There are quite a few threads on ATS covering these subjects with many links and references, check them out.

Check this one out:

reply to post by spikey

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Like a fiddle my man, like a fiddle. You just imagined the hype was for alternate reasons. They work best with dissent! They have always known there would not be enough vaccine to go around, and that the follow-up supplies would be too late for most. It is an engineered mind set you have there!

P.S. They count all pneumonia deaths as flu deaths. It is clearly the CDC promoting seasonal flu vaccines. People get pneumonia all the time, pneumonia with the flu is actually rare. It is a fact that only 846 people died of flu in 2006, and only 300 or so in 2001. But I understand you have your own agenda, and the clearly fudged number of 36,000 is needed. You’re a good little soldier, you just can’t see it!

There are three well known tactics at work here.

1. All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.

2. As soon as by one's own propaganda even a glimpse of right on the other side is admitted, the cause for doubting one's own right is laid.

3. The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force.

You will never see the true impact here, but you will start to hear of the outcome in other countries. Swine only needs a mortality rate of 1.5% to rival the spanish flu.

If you see things like swine vaccine is not necessarily bad, or you start to see stories of bad reactions then it is clear that they are promoting the anti vaccine strategy.

[edit on 1-11-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

I will stand by my first opinion about the swine flu pandemic, is a pharma hoax, even with whatever is happening in the UKraine that will be exploited to big pharma benefits

Swine flu deaths soar, Ukraine closes schools,

THE number of global swine flu deaths has spiked by 700 in a week, the World Health Organization (WHO) says, as Ukraine closed schools and cinemas in the toughest measures taken in Europe over the virus.

More than 5700 people have died from the A(H1N1) since it broke out in April in Mexico and the US.

The biggest rise in the past week was recorded in the Americas, were 636 more people were reported killed by swine flu, bringing the region's death toll to 4175, the UN agency says.

Fatal cases in Europe also climbed to at least 281, while those in Asia-Pacific rose to 1070.

"In the temperate zone of the northern hemisphere, influenza transmission continues to intensify, marking an unusually early start to winter influenza season in some countries," the WHO said today.

Like many has pointed out the biggest increase in death are happening in the week that the vaccine was introduced

Also look at the numbers in the US alone, since the CDC decided to stop testing and started to encourage to call any deaths that look like flu as swine flu numbers are starting to look good for swine flu.

Sorry people but this all sound like deceptions, when millions of people are sick right now or have been sick with swine flu and the numbers are still not high enough to call it a pandemic, Pneumonia kills more than 55 thousand people alone without swine flu to help and seasonal flu kills 40 thousand a year that is about 95 thousand people from pneumonia and regular flu.

Do the math.

www.theaustralian.news.com.au...




[edit on 1-11-2009 by marg6043]

reply to post by marg6043

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40,000 from the seasonal flu! Yeah right!

Here is the data from 2006 (The CDC clearly lumps influenza and pneumonia together for their tally.)

Number of deaths in 2006 from influenza: 846
Number of deaths in 2006 from pneumonia: 55,477
Number of estimated deaths from the CDC influenza model: 56,326

I can only find this on a cached page from Google. It is the statistics from the National Center for Health Statistics. I have a copy of the page saved if this link stops working. (The link didn’t post right so just copy and paste)
74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:O_VZUPGdT88J:nchspressroom.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/data-on-deaths-due-to-influenza/+influenza+death+rates&cd=1&hl=en&ct= clnk&gl=us

reply to post by Donkey_Dean

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Yes, sadly you are right, because it makes the numbers better, see if so far 8 million people has been infected globally the 4 some thousand deaths globally doesn't even make a dent on the global population of billions.

Still the swine flu started early in the year by now we already know how much damage has done, for big pharma (not enough for mass pushing vaccines to convince the population).

So the target now is the children, boost the numbers of children deaths in the US to have parents running scare for vaccinations, when we have a vaccine already for bacterial pneumonia.





[edit on 1-11-2009 by marg6043]

I found this interesting and full of graphs and information. It's with the JAMA reports and such.

www.gaia-therapy.com...

reply to post by j2000

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Thanks for the graph, I guess the answer is obvious, why we are vaccinating children with so many vaccines/ because is the livelihood of big pharma on going profits the ones that will always be there, as children are born every year.

reply to post by kettlebellysmith

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The outbreaks were at the same time alot of American teens and parents were in Mexico for the school Spring break. Makes perfect sense now.

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