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posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 07:23 AM

Originally posted by Alethea

Originally posted by total newbie
Get some Vitamin D in you and don't worry.

All nutrients (eg. vitamins A,B,C,D, zinc and magnesium) that have any positive health impact on the body will be deemed illegal in therapeutic doses under Codex....

Codex Alimentarius is slated to go into effect worldwide on Dec. 31, 2009

From what I hear the Codex Alimentarius, is dead in the water along with the Real-Id at this time, I only hope it is dead and gets buried.
I am not a radical, but don't mess with my herbs or vitamins, you might find you have a very pissed off Hippie on your hands.
The Codex is just another way to remove our freedoms, and gain more control over our person.

As for taking the swine flu vaccine, the thought has never crossed my mind except in speaking with others as to why not to take it.
I refused it back in the 70s, when a lot people thought it might be a good ideal.
I also refused exploriaory surgery, when suffered a neck injury at work, back in to 80s, if I hadn't, I would probabily be dead or parplegic now

posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 07:27 AM
It is amazuing how many people post here withot looking anything up.

I laughed at the conspiracies that stated the government was out to get us.

Then I went to the CDC (Centers for Disease Control) website.

My God.

Here they mention how they changed the way they track the Swine Flu.

As of August 30th every Pnuemonia and flu case is counted as swine flu.

Notice here how the cases were going down. They could not allow it to clear up after comitting to buy Billions of this vaccine. We must make it look like the Pandemic is still going on, so let's count every flu and Pnuemonia case, that will make it look worse.

Check out the numbers before aug 30th and then after they changed the way they count them.

Sure enough look at the charts after they changed the way they track it.

This is manipulated. But you won't see this on the news.

This is very scary.

They spew double talk on this.

Fromt he CDC Website:

"These will be reports of all influenza and pneumonia-related hospitalizations and deaths, not just those due to 2009 H1N1."


This does not make sense:

tracking of 2009 H1N1 hospitalizations and deaths will not be the same after August 30, 2009. In an effort to add additional structure to the national 2009 H1N1 reporting, new case definitions for influenza-associated hospitalizations and deaths were implemented on August 30, 2009. The new definitions allow states to report to CDC hospitalizations and deaths (either confirmed OR probable) resulting from all types of influenza, not just those from 2009 H1N1 flu. This is a broader set of data than states were previously reporting as it now includes 1) laboratory-confirmed influenza for all types of influenza, and 2) pneumonia and influenza cases identified from hospital records, most of which will not be laboratory confirmed.


Why was the definition of what states should report broadened?
The definition of what states should report was broadened to include all laboratory-confirmed influenza and influenza and pneumonia syndrome for three reasons:

CDC believes that regular seasonal influenza viruses will co-circulate with 2009 H1N1 influenza and capturing all laboratory-confirmed influenza will provide a fuller picture of the burden of all flu during the pandemic.
There are too many cases of flu to test and confirm so laboratory-confirmed data is a vast underestimate of the true number of cases and this bias would be exacerbated over the course of the pandemic as more and more people become ill.
Influenza and pneumonia syndrome is a diagnostic code used by all hospitals. Capturing this number will reflect a fuller picture of influenza and influenza-related serious illness and deaths in the United States during the pandemic. Influenza and pneumonia syndrome hospitalizations and deaths may be an overestimate of actual number of flu-related hospitalizations and deaths, but CDC believes influenza and pneumonia syndromic reports are likely to be a more sensitive measure of flu-associated hospitalizations and deaths than laboratory confirmed reports during this pandemic.

However, the syndromic reports of all hospitalizations and deaths recorded as either influenza or pneumonia will mean that the case counts are less specific than before and will include cases that are not related to influenza infection.

They say in their own words that they think we were underestimating and they want to increase the number by coutning them all.

This is flat out misleading the public. Can you say H1N1 is now widespread in 48 states when you no linger confirm them via laboratory?

If you are counting all hospitalizations as H1N1 you are misleading the public with the number of confirmed H1N1 cases.

Check it out for yourself.

Lie! Lie! Lie!

posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 07:55 AM
reply to post by reasonable

You are wrong! Miracle Mineral Solution will fight all diseases no matter where they came from and it's only 20 bucks. Stop worrying and buy the stuff. It can save every person you know.

posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 08:08 AM
Why would world depopulation plans possibly be under way? There are several reasons:

1) An ailing - if not dying - economy. Something drastic will have to happen soon worldwide otherwise most people retiring in ten years or so will simply not have any pensions. Like war, death is profitable. To date, think of all the dollars being made with printing, advertisements, airtime, medicines, etc.

2) Shrinking planetary resources. This one's obvious.

3) Religious fanaticism. It is possible that the world's elite might actually be trying to "force" or "flush out" a messiah in what they consider to be the end times. In other words, by creating the chaos, they feel like they're making prophecy take place. Crazy, I know.

There are more, but these I think, are probably the main three.

As a Native American myself, it amazes me how much confidence and faith people have in authority. For many years now, when someone "higher up" tells me to do something and explains why I must do something, my critical thinking flags automatically go up. It's instantaneous.

posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 08:14 AM
didn't Tamiflu help stock 280 million vaccines?

posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 08:17 AM
Now that the "vaccine" has arrived all the disinfo shills for Big Pharma try to earn their thirty pieces of silver.

You probably heard about the difficulties producing enough of the poison for everybody. Therefore they mix in adjuvants which are reported to enhance the poison's effectiveness. The nano technology based adjuvants come from Monsanto, the same company that's trying to monopolize world markets through Codex Alimentarius. It is very astonishing that these megalomaniacs are still in the market after having turned out so much lethal "medicine". Monsanto's genetically modified creations have a penchant for falling apart, a fact that may turn your genetically modified veggies into something extremely dangerous. The unreliability of their concoctions led to the conversion of most of this year's corn harvest into ersatz gas because of the possible deleterious effects of their creations if ingested.

Why did the federal gov't sign a contract with the vaccine-producing companies, freeing them from any legal consequences their poison may cause?
The suppression mechanics are well honed from the papilloma scare that produced thousands of permanently disabled or dead girls and, as in that case, you will never hear about negative side effects, not even when everybody around you drops dead and you have to ride to your work place in near-empty subway trains. They will probably claim that you are the only one who didn't win big in the lottery, and it's your fault.

Notice the not-so-subtle hints dropped by the shills that in the end you will be solely responsible for not having taken their poison. Of course they hardly mention the fact that there are live viruses in their shots; the federal gov't refused to give the vaccine to some states because they feared the vaccine might be uses AS A WEAPON against the US. How many more hints do the sheeple need to realize the implications of that statement?

In 2007, Baxter took out a patent for the Frankenstein virus which presumably made its first appearance in Mexico last spring! Pretty far-sighted, aren't they?

Why do people always go back to the special interest groups that treat them the worst? Talk about mass mind manipulation...

With so many US citizens renouncing the last vestiges of personal responsibility and giving it in the hands of some fictitious figure that was purportedly murdered in the middle-east two thousand years ago, do not expect anything to change. The sheeple will keep demanding to be led to the slaughter. Instead of getting down on your knees and brabbling inane litanies you better get up and get the guys perpetrating the mass murder you are witnessing. Do not do anything and you will deserve the shaft that you will get.

Time for talk's up. Either you act to save you and your loved ones or you leave all of your digits in the various bodily orifices and continue to do nothing. Better think twice about your choice. We do not have many possibilities to turn this slave ship into a free world, but one of these possibilities is now sitting right in front of your nose.

People are already dying from the vaccine. It's high time to return the favour to Baxter et al. They will make nice decorations hanging from lamp posts all over the inner cities.

posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 08:17 AM
reply to post by sumgai

Yes, I agree. And I think we suspected that is exactly what would happen. Also, a friend who is an ER nurse, told me that people gettinig the H1N1 vaccine are still getting H1N1 flu. Whatever this virus is, it is very strange and sometimes quite random. I did have this flu. It started over two weeks ago. I'm still not completely recovered. I have this total body ache that won't go away.

posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 08:20 AM
A number of people are talking about the H1N1 vaccine being egg-based. While that is true for many batches of this poison, alternative technologies are emerging that do not require eggs for vaccine production:

So if you were planning on refusing the (possibly mandatory) shot due to egg allergies, you might want to shift to religious exemption status instead. Personally, I will will use every excuse in the book but if that fails, I will leave this country before I allow 'authorities' to put these poisons in my body.

If you want to resist these diseases, you need:

1) regular physical exercise (cardio)
2) a diet high in fruits and veggies, low in sugar and fat
3) a quality multivitamin
4) vitamin D content should be over 2000 IU per day
5) wash hands regularly - especially after contact with people, public doorknobs or other transmission surfaces. Keep hands away from eyes, mouth and nose.

Dr. Cannell on vitamin D:

posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 08:41 AM
My sister is a Nurse, she took the H1N1 shot last week, she seems to be doing fine. If anything bad starts to happen to her I will let everyone know.

posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 08:55 AM

Originally posted by pteridine

Originally posted by unityemissions
Fact is, the heavy metals which are in the vaccine will cause mutations of dna & rna at much higher rates than normal. If someone was infected with flu that has mutated outside of the effectiveness for this vaccine, then it would be possible for this vaccine to act as a catalyst for more virulent mutations overall, considering the fact that many people supposedly have swine flu by now.

Many vaccines do not contain mercury [as merthiolate] as a preservative. Everyone is asked about allergies before the injection because the vaccines are grown in egg derived media. Anyone who doesn't know about an allergy would be at risk. It isn't the mercury or the vaccine that causes immediate problems, it's the growth media.

The fact IS.......many vaccines contain Thimersol......a derivative of Mercury. So they do contain Mercury.

posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 08:59 AM
The reason, IMO, that you are not seeing ads on TV for flu related products is that the FDA is targeting products that make such claims. Stories on this topic have been on MSM for last couple of weeks. I think manufactures are nervous about making such claims.

Also, heard on the Today show this morning that Janet N. from Homeland Security stated that not only are they 'targeting Tamilfu-like products on web', but also after 'vaccine claims'. I am certain she does not mean claims that vaccines work, but just the opposite.

posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 09:05 AM

Originally posted by dgtempe
A little boy hemorraged to death jjust after the vaccine.

Was it the cause of the vaccine, or more likely did the person administering the shot mess up?

As someone who received 8-12 'therapeutic' phlebotomies a year I realize how easy it is to ruin your body, even die, from a simple injection. I take great care in my selection of medical equipment (I provide for a phlebotomist, needles and vacuum bottles).

Do you have some source for this?

Also- seems like the headline is more sensational than the news. If there was something new to say beyond the umpteen threads stating this same information, wouldn't a proper headline and the information therein stand on it's own without the need for sensationalist tactics?

posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 09:07 AM
This is the kind of logic I do not understand.

People think it is pay to live or if you take the vaccine because of the man made virus you'll live.

Come on!

The same people that make the killer virus, make the vaccine, that will maybe save you, and your going to trust them?

Sorry I'll take my chances.

Originally posted by nightmarehalo

I guarantee that if there was a conspiracy behind the swine flu that it would only be bad for the people who did not get immunized. Why? Because if the swine flu (assuming it exists) doesn't kill you, then the next virus the government creates to kill anyone who didn't take the swine flu vaccine will. The government will keep alive only those that submit.

posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 09:12 AM
reply to post by kettlebellysmith

You said:

We are still at a loss as to why it was released in Mexico city, in April, as viruses normally don't survive well in warm climates. The only explanation is the population density.

Did you know that H1N1 appeared in Mexico City just a day or so after our esteemed President Obama made a public appearance there? And did you know that while in Mexico City, he attended a reception at a museum? And did you know that the first person to die of H1N1 - hours after that reception - was the curator of that museum? A man who had shaken hands with President Obama at the reception?

I'm just sayin'...

posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 09:18 AM
reply to post by muggl3z


I'm in Indiana, as well. You are correct that the death reports are now flowing from the broadcast and print media. Remember that the media is largely controlled by the same people who own "Big Pharma". "Big Pharma" makes the profits based on the number of people inocuated. The big motivation to get the shot is FEAR...and that is manufactured by the media stories crafted to scare the hell out of the public. 9-11 revisited, if you will.

The H1N1 inhalant (with the live virus) was used on first responders and school children for a reason. They come into contact with a broad range of people and will spread the virus that till now seemed not to be widespread. Look for many more cases now that TPTB have initiated this scheme.

We decided some time ago that this whole scare tactic was prehaps TPTB's way to kill, subject and control people. We will not be taking the H1N1 shot. We began taking high levels (4,000 units per day) of vitamin D3 some time ago to build our immune systems. We have chidren all around us, in our neighborhood, and the lady next door just got out of the hospital with a serious case of H1N1. We haven't even a sniffle thus far this season. Hope this input adds to the knowledge base on the subject. Good luck, all!

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posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 09:27 AM
Just seen on a trip to see a family member in hospital that there were signs everywhere letting you know that the H1N1 Vaccination is now free of charge and encouraging everyone who reads it to have it done immediately...the everywhere else you walk its all warning signs about what could happen if you dont. Very alarming.

posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 09:29 AM

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posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 09:56 AM
excuse for not providing links to everything i'm about to say, i don't have much time right now, going out with the family but wanted to say a few things.

1st: when h1n1 first came out, they said it was difficult to say who had it because it would take labs at least two weeks to get the results, therefore the count was flawed because they assumed everyone who died in that period of time had h1n1. the count was really elevated for about two weeks, then brought back down.

2nd: i'm in central texas, and now, doctors are simply assuming that even the sniffles and a cough is h1n1, they're simply not taking a chance, or the time to research it, because lab test now take a few days, and that's already too long for them to diagnose. But every now and then, some reports tell that they tested the person and the result came back positive for h1n1, all of that in the same day!

Sorry i don't have all the links to back this up, but i know i've read it or watched with my own eyes.

all this h1n1 talk is frustrating to me bcs the reports never back each other up, its total contradiction.

A while back cnn was saying go to the hospital bcs this is very serious, then Dr Gupta made a report saying not to worry it was just like the regular flu, then back to going to the ER again......

I have two kids, 3 and 5, both of them will not get any type of shot, been drinking and eating oranges everyday. we'll stay this course for now, if things get worse, we'll just go out in the country and stay there for a while.

posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 10:02 AM
After getting divorced in 1998, i was told by a certain ministry
official to "go get a flu shot so I could better take care of my
kids", following this advice changed my life. I now have Menieres
Disease and I have had it since the flu shot in 98, winter of 98,
three months in bed puking and coughing up several litres of fluid
from my lungs everday. Then I got infection after infection, dental,
lung, knee, chest, sinus, ankle, shoulder all my joints were burning
and still do. During those three months I credit my survival to
babyfood and oatmeal because thats all I could digest.

I believe the Gov tried to kill me and the dirty bastards did it to
get my kids into one of their foster home puppy mills(ministry worker
actually told me this, not about trying to kill me but I was told about puppymill foster homes and how "my kids would be a nice addition to their family").
The dentist pulled all my teeth in an half assed attempt to save me
from prolonged hospitalization and eventual death.

NOW I am allergic to eggs, I wasn't before and tap water makes me sick
I have to drink boiled water or distilled water. Added to all this I
have recently been diagnosed with Glaucoma... advanced open angle
glaucoma. The eye specialist gave me eye drops, before I take anything
I go to my friend "Google" and look it up. Hey hey it turned out the
eye drops were recalled by health canada more that 2 months before
they were prescribed to me, after reading the health canada notice I
came to the part "why" they were recalled.....possibility of sudden
death due to unregulated quantities of the active ingredient.

"Potential adverse events may include red eye, eye irritation,
inflammation of the eyelids and/or cornea, drooping of the upper
eyelid, double vision, dizziness, headache, abnormally slow heartbeat,
abnormally low blood pressure, shortness of breath, difficulty
breathing, and cardiac failure"

I would never tell anyone to not take medication.
Canadian Government Flu shot in 1998 ruined my life. If they want to
force vaccinate me they better have a big gun and many of them.
I will defend my life and the lives of my children with deadly force
if need be. To me that means NO FLU SHOTS EVER! As for the Government,
they can E.S.A.D.
Eyedrop Recall

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posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 10:04 AM
Pharmacist here also- The vaccine may possibly contain formaldehyde, antifreeze, aborted fetal tissue, animal blood (various) and many heavy metals as additives.

I don't try to tell patients what they should do but, as for me, I choose not to take the vaccine.

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