The liquid and lakes of Mars, page 2

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reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 10:48 PM by Phage

reply to post by IX-777

No. Not liquid water. Ice, dust and rocks. Chasma Boreal:

reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 10:58 PM by IX-777

And what seem to be possibly another great lake on Mars with vegetation around the shorelines etc:

Please feel free to add other lake, river and water evidence found on any Mars images.

reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 12:31 AM by ziggystar60

reply to post by IX-777

I have a question for you, and I apologize that it is kind of off topic. (Sorry mods!)

I was just wondering... When you post photos or start a thread, and other members gives you detailed, rational and polite explanations for what the photos actually show, do you read their posts at all? Or are you using the ignore button, so you don't even see their posts in the first place?

Just very curious, that's all. I would also be very grateful if you could find the time to comment about this. Thank you in advance.

reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 12:53 AM by Stari

Hi, I believe and have believed for a long time now that there is life on Mars. Here are some photos I have found on the subject.

Is this a bug?

Is this really a rock? Or could this be left over from a civilization long long time ago?

A rock or a mechanism left over from a lost civilization?

Is anyone familiar with Rods?

Are you familiar with Rods?

Those are just a few examples of what I have found going through NASA's public archives.

Stari

reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 02:30 PM by ArMaP

Originally posted by IX-777
My ultimate evidence of liquid water oceans on Mars:

Notice the above image - it clearly shows snow covering the huge cliffs, and the reflection of the cliffs on the water ice below, as well as broken up ice flakes further away from the shores just as seen on earth. Typical red tint / filter added which makes details harder to see but still obvious.

Yes, that is probably snow, as some ESA scientists said some time ago, they think that water sublimates from the south pole and is transported in the clouds over to the north pole, where it falls as snow, and they think that's how the polar ice caps "move" from north to south and from south to north over time.

But if you think that what you see is a reflection then let me tell you that you are wrong, that could only be a reflection if the photo was taken from that position, but that is not a real photo, that is a 3D computer-generated model representing that area, the real photo was taken vertically over that area, while other two photos were used to get the height data.

And there's no need for a "red filter", photos taken from Earth show the same "red tint", Mars really looks like that (although we can never be sure about colours).

PS: I have tried to find out the original photo, but I am having some difficulties, maybe latter.

reply posted on 16-11-2009 @ 11:56 AM by IX-777

To me the image look exactly like a huge frozen lake, or ocean, with snow around and yes snow and ice is already known to be there so there is no reason a lake , even though possibly frozen, could not be there as well.

Regarding the reflections - if thats not reflection we see in the ice, then what do we see? And do feel free to post another image of the same area but from different angle, such as from directly above or even photos showing the same area as well as the areas around it.

Also, I have another thread relating to ruins on mars, it is going on here for those interested:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

To the person whom asked me if I read other comments or ignore them, no I do not ignore them, I read all posts, but that does not mean I agree to what other posters claims, any more than they agree to what I claim - or theorize. Personally I have my own share of experience related to direct knowledge of what exists on Mars and other moons and planets from my own involvement with governmental agencies and non-governmental organizations of various sorts. The problem is not to know whats up there, it is to prove it for others, as we are not presented with the real evidence that they have in their own hands.

-Maggador

reply posted on 16-11-2009 @ 01:17 PM by ArMaP

Originally posted by IX-777
Regarding the reflections - if thats not reflection we see in the ice, then what do we see? And do feel free to post another image of the same area but from different angle, such as from directly above or even photos showing the same area as well as the areas around it.

That's the problem, that image is made with photos taken directly from above.

1 - First they use a higher definition image for the detail.
2 - Then they use smaller definition images for the three RGB channels.
3 - Then they use the two 3D cameras (one pointing forward and the other backwards) and use the difference in those two images to create a 3D model of that area.
4 - After that they use the high definition image, "painted" with the colour data from the other 3 images and apply that texture to the 3D model.

That's why we have several images from different points of view, because it's a computer model, not because Mars Express was flying around that area taking photos from extremely low angles.

If you think a little about it you will see that those photos would be very hard to take from a satellite.

reply posted on 16-11-2009 @ 07:41 PM by IX-777

Yes I understand that fact, but can someone provide me with the ORIGINAL images of the same area then for comparison? It certainly would be useful, and they must exist if these images are taken in the way you say and this method has been used.

Thanks and best regards
-Maggador

reply posted on 17-11-2009 @ 12:27 AM by GerhardSA

reply to post by IX-777

interesting how the atmosphere in the last picture is very "Earth-like" hey? The atmosphere looks humid or moist, especially for Mars, but obviously this coule be because these look like 3D images, and it might be moving towards nightfall
Phage , maybe you can explain why it looks like that?

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reply posted on 17-11-2009 @ 01:07 AM by Phage

reply to post by GerhardSA

I'm not sure what you mean by looking humid.
The image was made by the Mars Orbiter Camera onboard the Mars Global Surveyor. The wide angle lens used only a red and blue filter so the colors are definitely false.

Here is the full set of swaths made of the pole that early spring day (March 13, 1999). I don't know which pair was used to make the image presented.
www.msss.com...

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reply posted on 17-11-2009 @ 04:23 PM by Nizzmo

Out of all the pictures on that marsanomalyresearch website that has to deal with liquid water I think this has got to be the most interesting. It was taken by phoenix. Any ideas what it could be? To me it looks like a small puddle of liquid water, any explanations welcome though as id be interested to know the possibilities.

reply posted on 17-11-2009 @ 05:33 PM by ArMaP

reply to post by Nizzmo

Those photos show a rock that was pushed by one of Phoenix's feet, leaving a trail in the extremely dry dust, I remember seeing them when they were first published.

reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 04:28 PM by ArMaP

reply to post by IX-777

I give up.

According to the image name (010_Mars_northPole_H_1169_3) it should have been taken on orbit 1169, but I cannot see anything looking like that area in the photos from that orbit, available here in a "browsable" and smaller version.

reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 04:43 PM by Nizzmo

reply to post by ArMaP

Ok, that makes sense. Whatever it may be though, its interesting how it appears to be liquid water.

reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 04:55 PM by Xeven

We could probably heat Mars up and kick start its core for a magnetic field by moving a moon from the asteroid belt into its orbit. Should be enough to make it livable and warmer.

Ceres and Vesta might be large enough. It would be a great experiment to test our theories of how to move asteroids out of our orbital path while at the same time possibly providing humanity a second home.

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