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"Side effects not always due to swine flu shot"

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posted on Oct, 31 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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"Side effects not always due to swine flu shot"


news.yahoo.com

LONDON – Hundreds of people on any given day will die, develop the paralyzing Guillain-Barre syndrome or have spontaneous abortions, and that doesn't necessarily mean that their swine flu vaccination shot was to blame, a new study says.

As millions of people worldwide begin getting the new swine flu shot, public health officials are bracing for rumors about dangerous side effects linked to the vaccine.

To provide context, experts combed hospital databases and population samples in Britain, Canada, Finland, the United States and elsewhere to find daily baseline rates of commonly report
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posted on Oct, 31 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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Only if the rates of these events exceed these baseline numbers should experts suspect the vaccine might be responsible.

"People die every day for lots of reasons, but we tend not to think about that when a mass immunization campaign is happening," said Steven Black of Cincinnati Children's Hospital in Ohio, one of the paper's authors. "We're not saying we don't need to look at vaccine safety, but let's do it judiciously."

Black, like several of the study's authors, received grants from companies that make swine flu vaccine.

Mass immunization campaigns for diseases like measles and yellow fever have frequently been undermined by rumors that the vaccines cause dangerous side effects.

Still, rumors may also mask legitimate vaccine concerns. In Nigeria, fears that the oral polio vaccine causes HIV were unfounded but concern about the vaccine was not entirely unwarranted: it does cause polio in rare instances.






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Ummm, do you think they're trying to cover their behinds? Like "don't blame us if you die"?

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posted on Oct, 31 2009 @ 03:12 PM
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There were similar articles here in the states.

They just love saying, 'we didn't do it, they were gonna die anyway".



posted on Oct, 31 2009 @ 03:45 PM
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More like "legitimate concerns may be masked by statistics and marketing spin".

2nd line.



posted on Oct, 31 2009 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by abecedarian
More like "legitimate concerns may be masked by statistics and marketing spin".

2nd line.


Just for your own comfort; that one-liner would have been fine since it is directly relevant to the OP and contributory in nature to the discussion...


Don't bother with the 2nd line bit... it's just a waste of keystrokes.

After all, how much of an improvement over the one-liner

"You're wrong!"

would be....

"You're wrong!
2nd line"?
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posted on Oct, 31 2009 @ 04:36 PM
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I don't know about you but while that may be truth doesn't this sounds like a propaganda clip in case people actually start to get all of the above after getting the swine flu vaccine?

You know kind of government covering their butts even when the big pharma is exempt from any wrong doings, at least here in the US.



posted on Oct, 31 2009 @ 04:46 PM
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The immunization that alarms me the most is the one where neither Big Pharma, nor the WHO, nor the governments can be held liable for any bad things that happens to a person they inoculate.

Their immunity is much more telling about the reality of the situation than ours will be...

By the way..., why call them "side effects"? The definition should be changed now, to accommodate political expedience?



posted on Oct, 31 2009 @ 05:13 PM
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Has anyone forgot this point, that is true:


Hundreds of people on any given day will die, develop the paralyzing Guillain-Barre syndrome or have spontaneous abortions, and that doesn't necessarily mean that their swine flu vaccination shot was to blame, a new study says.


Where's the evidence so far to suggest these baseline numbers have being exceeded?

I'm unsure about the vaccine, and the 2 variants, and the exact reasons for the additive version even for those who will receive the vaccine first in the line. But I want to see solid evidence that this vaccine is harmful, as potential fearmongering may end up being more harmful.



posted on Oct, 31 2009 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by john124
reply to post by Donnie Darko
 


Has anyone forgot this point, that is true:


Hundreds of people on any given day will die, develop the paralyzing Guillain-Barre syndrome or have spontaneous abortions, and that doesn't necessarily mean that their swine flu vaccination shot was to blame, a new study says.


Where's the evidence so far to suggest these baseline numbers have being exceeded?

I'm unsure about the vaccine, and the 2 variants, and the exact reasons for the additive version even for those who will receive the vaccine first in the line. But I want to see solid evidence that this vaccine is harmful, as potential fearmongering may end up being more harmful.



i'm not sure, but i have my suspicions.



posted on Oct, 31 2009 @ 05:19 PM
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This is my take, 1976 cost to the tax payer in the US 123 million in propaganda, flu vaccine, only 5 million paid out on families for the death and disable after the swine flu vaccinations.

This time around, 16 million on propaganda, no a penny for those that will be dying and become disable after the vaccine side effects.

History doesn't lie, and tends to repeat itself, so I will wait and see because this time is going to be a lot of angry people unable to sue the pharma and the government for their loses.



posted on Oct, 31 2009 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by john124
reply to post by Donnie Darko
 


Has anyone forgot this point, that is true:


Hundreds of people on any given day will die, develop the paralyzing Guillain-Barre syndrome or have spontaneous abortions, and that doesn't necessarily mean that their swine flu vaccination shot was to blame, a new study says.


Where's the evidence so far to suggest these baseline numbers have being exceeded?

I'm unsure about the vaccine, and the 2 variants, and the exact reasons for the additive version even for those who will receive the vaccine first in the line. But I want to see solid evidence that this vaccine is harmful, as potential fearmongering may end up being more harmful.



You raise a very important question.

I agree it should be evident, perhaps this is all benevolent in nature. But I keep returning to the preordained immunity from liability - I find that disturbing.

You see, billions of dollars in revenue will be funneled into a narrow economic channel, mostly engendered, encouraged, and even mandated by the same career political and diplomatic transnational and local hands that are making the argument. It gives me a reason to be circumspect about their message.

At any rate, if I refuse the blessing of this treatment from the government, in whatever guise, and I become sick, I will be the first to admit it.

While I am hoping for the best. I am inclined to be skeptical - these world leaders and authorities of ours (all of us, that is) don't have my unconditional confidence.



posted on Oct, 31 2009 @ 05:37 PM
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I'd like to see scientific proof that the vaccine works. I want to see safety trials done. I'd like to see conclusive scientific proof that every ingredient is not detrimental to health.

I believe the fda holds all homeopathy to the double blind standard, I should like to see this vaccine pass that same test.



posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 10:32 AM
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My wife who didnt listen or believe me re; swine flu shot is bad, got one and then with in a day and a half was so violently ill that I had her taken to hospital.

She is ok again now but she was bad...and I said to her good stuff that shot hey.....and she still sticks up for it saying the 2 aren't related.

I have said to her I will not have it, and my daughter will have it over my dead body and I mean that I will not let her have it....



posted on Nov, 1 2009 @ 03:19 PM
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www.foxnews.com...


Fox news is running the same story. They are really trying to spew their propaganda hard, how stupid do they think we are?



posted on Nov, 4 2009 @ 02:50 AM
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Here's another neat sidestep I found from the chicago tribune online.

Swine flue q&a



Q My daughter, 10, got the nasal vaccine for H1N1 (and four days later had) a high fever, chills, dizziness, sore throat, cough and congestion. (She) missed a week-plus so far of school. Can you get swine flu from the live vaccine? It seems she has.
A Vaccine experts say the virus in the nasal vaccine is so weakened that it is impossible to get flu from it. But it takes several days to two weeks before the vaccine's protective immune response kicks in, said University of Chicago infectious-disease specialist Kenneth Alexander. It is likely that your daughter had the misfortune of catching the flu before the vaccine could take effect and protect her from it.


I mean there's no way to prove it specifically gave her the flu, because they can always point elsewhere. At some point we just have to decide for ourselves, because they've confused the field of debate here.



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