Originally posted by Hal9000
I don't fault these people either. It is the people that criticized those of us that opposed the war that I have a problem with. Not that this is
directed at you, but this is something each person should ask themselves. If they were against the anti-war protest movement, how do you expect any
support for your own?
It's mostly the methods of the anti-war protesters that I personally criticize, can't speak for anyone else so I won't try. Attacking recruiters
for doing their jobs, damaging government property, throwing fake blood on people, and protesting funerals is not the correct way to go about voicing
displeasure over the wars. That is what we have seen from many anti-war protesters and for those things they (the ones who did them) deserve to be
To an extent I agree with the anti-war protesters. We entered Iraq based on lies, you'll find no argument about that here. I bought those lies just
like everyone else did in the wake of 9/11. There weren't many people back then who opposed going to war and holding the people responsible
I can't remember if it was this thread or another, but like I've said before it's easy to point fingers 8 years after the fact. Many of the
anti-war protesters supported the wars 8 years ago. Doesn't that make them hypocritical as well? How is that any different than what is going on with
the Tea Party movement?
None of us are calling you a hypocrite directly, because frankly I don't recall. It is the general impression that the TPM gives that those
inside of it can't see. If any of you at least acknowledged this appearance of hypocrisy that would be a step in the right direction. To expect
everyone to accept you with open arms is not going to happen.
Not you maybe, but it happens frequently to myself and others around here. During the Bush years we were right, now that Obama's in office we're
just racist. Doesn't matter that we are still opposing the same things we did last year. Doesn't matter that we're being consistent. It's viewed
as hypocrisy instead. As I've already said, I'm sure there are some who only support the Tea Parties because they are opposed to Obama. The enemy of
my enemy and all that. But they don't constitute the majority of the movement.
I don't think anyone expects to be accepted with open arms. They just don't expect to be dismissed and looked down on for doing the same thing
they've been doing for years or for finally waking up and seeing what's been going on around them. Something I hear quite frequently around here is
"Where were you when Bush was doing it?". The answer to that question just as frequently is "Speaking out against what he was doing, where were
you?". That is not hypocrisy. That is consistency.
I would like to see any of you say that the war was wrong and is more important to oppose than the bailouts because real lives were lost.
Otherwise it appears that your money is more important than lives.
Again, I can't speak for anyone else, but to me they are both equally important. My husband is in the military, the war directly affects the lives of
myself and my family. Much more so than someone who doesn't have family in the military. The bailouts, government takeovers of private industries,
whittling away of the Constitution, massive government spending, expanding government, etc. all also directly affect the lives of myself and my
family. They are all equally important issues that need to be fixed, no one issue is more important than the others.
Asking someone to say the wars are more important when something else may be affecting their life more just isn't right. I see that as an attempt to
make the Tea Parties into anti-war protests when that's not what they are. They are a large group of people from all walks of life that are sick and
tired of what the government has been doing. Not just one thing the government has done, but everything it has been doing. Attempting to focus it on
solely one issue would defeat the entire purpose.