Liquid (water?) flows on Mars Now!!, page 4
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reply posted on 31-10-2009 @ 11:15 PM by hoghead cheese
Originally posted by odyseusz
Originally posted by ArMaP
These things have been noticed in many Mars photos for some time, but they can analyse it because what we see on those photos is how things are after that something flowed on those places, as far as I know there isn't any photo of it happening (but I don't know if there would be a way of knowing that it was happening at the time).

I have noticed that on some photos it looks like those liquid flows come from the joining between the present day surface and what looks like a different ground layer, like if something was covered by the dust we see today.

I will try to find one of those photos.

PS: Imagir, use only the [img] tags, that way the image will have a scroll-bar and will not mess-up the page layout.

[edit on 31/10/2009 by ArMaP]


Do you all have amnesia? There are several dozens of threads on this forum about that phenomenon and we already saw photos of that process in action. It manifest as a geyser but it's not water probably but methane or something else because in such low atmospheric pressure liquid water
doesn't exist. Ice become directly a vapour and vapour become en ice. There is possibility that liquid water exist on Mars but beneath the surface where the pressure is higher.

Artistic vision of that phenomenon.


And the real photo.


[edit on 31-10-2009 by odyseusz]


Water boils away into vapor with low pressure, and since mean surface level pressure of 600 Pa (0.6 kPa, or 6 millibars, or 0.087 psi), compared to Earth's 101.3 kPa water most definitely will go to gas. I believe that a blowout or massive geyser of water happens and when it bursts and start to go down hill it turns to vapor, but not before enough of the water has laid down enough minerals and traveled far enough to make a landscape change. And it doesn't take into account if the water is "dirty" (meaning has salt or whatever minerals and junk that has dissolved in the water to hinder for awhile the vapor process. But one funny thing is that the deeper you go into the surface of the planet the higher the pressure is. As an example the Hellas Planitia, the massive crater has a pressure of 1.155 kPa which is double the surface level pressure and just 1 percent of earth pressure.

I saw this movie on IFC this past Friday called Stranded: Náufragos, directed by a spanish director and story written by spanish sf author. It stars Vincent Gallo and others and it tells a story of this crew trying to survive on Mars after crashing. I'll post a link, but what hit me the most is that the ancient alien structures and what remained of the alien society built their cliff dwellings in the massive trench on mars and other low areas. When you see the last minutes of the movie when the camera is pulling away from them in the canyon and up the walls of the canyon into orbit gave me pause and to think if you had to survive would you dig your civilization into the caves and deep recesses of the planet in order to maintain air pressure of some sort and maintain atmosphere.

en.wikipedia.org...:_N%C3%A1ufragos

en.wikipedia.org...


reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 12:14 AM by Nicolas Flamel



reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 04:49 AM by Imagir
Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to
post by Imagir



Could you tell where did you got that image from? I cannot find it on that photo.

Thanks.


Hi ArMap.
You can find all these images directly in GOOGLE MARS.














Thanks for your research.


Official Data
hirise.lpl.arizona.edu...

Acquisition date: 05 February 2008 Local Mars time: 2:38 PM
Latitude (centered): 11.3 ° Longitude (East): 32.0 °
Range to target site: 277.6 km (173.5 miles) Original image scale range: 27.8 cm/pixel
(with 1 x 1 binning) so objects ~83 cm across are resolved
Map projected scale: 25 cm/pixel and north is up Map projection: EQUIRECTANGULAR
Emission angle: 7.9 ° Phase angle: 46.7 °
Solar incidence angle: 39 °, with the Sun about 51 ° above the horizon Solar longitude: 27.7 °, Northern Spring
For non-map projected products:
North azimuth: 97 ° Sub-solar azimuth: 9.8 °
F O R M A P P R O J E C T E D P R O D U C T S
North azimuth: 270° Sub solar azimuth 184.2°


reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 11:47 AM by Phage
reply to post by Unleashed68


The HIRISE camera does not produce color images. It produces grayscale images in different wavelengths ("red", "blue-green", and near infrared). By combining the grayscale images in different wavelengths, a false color image can be produced.

"False" color means that the color you see in HiRISE images is not the "true" color human eyes would see on Mars. This is because the HiRISE camera views Mars in a different part of the spectrum than human eyes do. Nevertheless, false color imagery is extremely valuable because it illuminates the distinction between different materials and textures.

hirise.lpl.arizona.edu...


reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 11:57 AM by ArMaP
reply to post by Imagir



Thanks for that information.

The image below is the original image without any processing (after being converted to the IMG format that NASA and other organisations use from the format used to transmit the data), and you can see several things.
(I should have cropped a bigger image )


And this is the JPEG2000 version, after being processed.


First, the image is smaller than the one you posted, meaning that the image you posted had already some processing done by Google Earth itself.

Second, the image is not that good, as the whole image had very bright and very dark areas, it's difficult to get a good reproduction of all shades of grey.

Considering the above and what we can really see from the photo, it's too small and not in the best light conditions to be really analysed.

As an aside, and to give an idea of scale, that rock (with or without "holes" or "legs" ) is 5 metres long.


reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 12:02 PM by ArMaP
reply to post by Imagir



It's not really a mystery, it's the best way of doing it.

That way they can have a monochromatic version (usually the red channel) that is good enough to show detail (and usually better than a colour version for that, colour does not help to see detail) and other monochromatic versions for whatever they want, mostly infra-red and ultra-violet, that help seeing specific things.

There's a camera that is analysing clouds on Mars, and for that they also use an orange filter because it's the best to show the clouds.

I know that it may not make much sense to people that do not think about it, but colours as we see them do not help knowing what is seen in the photos.


reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 02:28 PM by spikey
reply to post by havok



It may not be evaporating as much as all that.

I'd say that if it is a sporadic or infrequent welling up of liquid, the nearby dry surface, would wick most of the water into itself, to freeze as ice, just below the surface.

Edited to add that this looks like it's happening all over Mars, not just the area of the photos.

Mars global warming?

[edit on 1/11/2009 by spikey]


reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 03:22 PM by spikey
reply to post by hoghead cheese



Good points.

The lower a hypothetical alien race went from the surface, the higher the pressure.

So yes i agree, in Mars' current state, it would be the logical direction to build...downward.

I've a feeling that something very nasty happened to the planet Mars at some point in time. What would have been on the surface, would have been exposed to whatever occurred. The survivors would have been those safely ensconced in bunkers...built deep into the crust of mars.

A massive solar flare maybe. Who knows.


reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 04:17 PM by Imagir
Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to
post by Imagir



Thanks for that information.

The image below is the original image without any processing (after being converted to the IMG format that NASA and other organisations use from the format used to transmit the data), and you can see several things.
(I should have cropped a bigger image )


And this is the JPEG2000 version, after being processed.


First, the image is smaller than the one you posted, meaning that the image you posted had already some processing done by Google Earth itself.

Second, the image is not that good, as the whole image had very bright and very dark areas, it's difficult to get a good reproduction of all shades of grey.

Considering the above and what we can really see from the photo, it's too small and not in the best light conditions to be really analysed.

As an aside, and to give an idea of scale, that rock (with or without "holes" or "legs" ) is 5 metres long.


Good job!

But however, even in the gray scale and with pixellation, "THE OBJECT" IS STILL THERE!


reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 04:28 PM by ArMaP
reply to post by Imagir



Yes, the object is still there, the problem is in trying to understand what the object is.


reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 04:40 PM by Imagir
Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to
post by Imagir



Yes, the object is still there, the problem is in trying to understand what the object is.


In my opinion surely unnatural: ARTIFACT!
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