Both ideas of socialism and conservatism get mixed in with communism and capitalism. All of these ideas really do not serve us well.

Our founding fathers formed this nation with a check on the federal government to not take part in central planning of the states, unless the general welfare was at stake. Unfortunately, the line of what is considered "general welfare" has been blurred by interests of greed and corruption. Basically, a bunch of free and independent states agreed collectively that they share the same basic values of freedom and agreed they should have a federal government to assist in preserving that way of life. So the states paid into this federal government to keep a balance amongst the states and preserve their collective good.

The basic premises of capitalism or conservatism is that an individual should benefit from their innovations, but that innovation should not be kept from the people simply because of the ownership over that item or information. Patents were designed to protect an individuals innovation temporarily, and later unprotected so as to allow others to expand or improve the product or use the same product and add it to another product. Unfortunately, this is way of improving already developed products is gone. Our country no longer believes in the general good of all the people benefiting from innovations after a fair amount of time for the innovator to make a profit from their innovation.

Additionally, socialism or communism is taking from the rich and giving to the poor. But, we are all missing the point of what is really going on. If we just followed the constitution we would know that "general welfare" means those things that effect everyone, not just a few or a minority. Constitutionally, it is very clear that "general welfare" meant those issues that potentially impacted everyone. Things like food, housing, clothing, basic medical care, equal treatment, equal access to obtain justice, and security seem to be things all of citizens of our great country need. Yet, we spend billions on office personnel to shuffle paperwork around write report, impact studies and investigate superficial issues that most or none of us have even heard about. The states are broke yet this is where the citizens live. How is it that we do not have one shred of a general welfare item available to us without going through some complicated process of evaluating income to determine eligibility?

In the constitutional republic I envision, the only role of the federal government is to protect the issues that potentially affect all of us on a basic human level. The federal government collecting taxes from the states, so that the general welfare of the citizens are provided for.

Why must you qualify for Food Stamps?
Everyone should get basic staples of food. No qualifying, no paperwork needed. If you want your share of monthly food you go down and pick it up. I recently had to get on food stamps, and I eat better than I have in years working for a living. People that are just above the income level get no benefit and still have to skimp by and make cuts to their food budgets in order to survive. This is truly stealing from the rich to give to the poor. But hold that thought…guess who those food stamps go to? The corporations get all the money spent by food stamp recipients at retail price levels. In the constitutional republic I envision if you want food you go pick it up. That simple and everyone is eligible rich and poor to pick up basic food staples to supplement themselves or feed their families based on an acceptable formula of how much food is necessary to live on. How many rich people do you think would be in line to pick up their government food? The idea is that the money or benefit should always go toward the people not the corporation, although they may be a tool for the government to use for distribution or production in obtaining the goods.

General welfare could also be providing basic housing to all citizens. We’ve spent billions of dollars, trillions in fact on worthless things. We should have basic housing for anyone in need of them. When I say basic I mean basic nothing fancy, basic necessities and basic amount of rooms for the family size. No qualifying, nothing. How many rich people do you think would want to live in one?

Education monies should be a state matter, however, all monies should be attached to the student to chose which school to attend. All college level education should receive a base amount of non repayable monies to use for college attached to them. How many rich people will go to the colleges that don’t charge more than the allotted amount?

Medical Care basic care should be given freely. Checkups, health exams, minor procedures, etc. Rich people get them free too. It’s funded by…taxes on commerce.

Everything else that is not outlined by the constitution as a truly general welfare item that has the potential to affect everyone should be immediately defunded. That includes countless millions of employed paper pushing government secretaries that are currently in charge of administrating most of these general welfare programs to make sure you “qualify.”

One thing I thought of after writing this...could this be the formula that brings agreement between both left and right political ideologies?

I might have to use this platform for my personal political campaign. Feedback appreciated if you have an opinion.

What the op wrote is an ideology. The only true way is that we are all left and right. I never understand why these people pick sides like its sports, in sports you stay with a team. But in politics, you should vote for the person you think speaks the most sense and will do what you think is right. Who cares if they are left or right.

William cooper said the same in his cnn interview tape. Shame the common folk will not listen to people like that.

To me there is quite a bit of difference between promoting general welfare,and controlling the general welfare. I agree that the term promote the general welfare refers to the populace as a whole.Not just this minority or that minority. It has been a time honored tradition that you gain your work ethic from your parents.

When someone is raised in a situation where support is provided and not earned,what lesson do the children learn? Give up? They learn that staying in the system is the easiest way to get by. In a system that retards the ability for people to gain self respect,and self worth through accomplishment.

Alcholism,drug abuse,and low self esteem are the product. Giving able bodied people everything they need kills the independent spirit,and creates entitlement slaves.

Originally posted by daddyroo45
To me there is quite a bit of difference between promoting general welfare,and controlling the general welfare. I agree that the term promote the general welfare refers to the populace as a whole.Not just this minority or that minority. It has been a time honored tradition that you gain your work ethic from your parents.

When someone is raised in a situation where support is provided and not earned,what lesson do the children learn? Give up? They learn that staying in the system is the easiest way to get by. In a system that retards the ability for people to gain self respect,and self worth through accomplishment.

Alcholism,drug abuse,and low self esteem are the product. Giving able bodied people everything they need kills the independent spirit,and creates entitlement slaves.

IMO you have put motive and consequence in your terms exclusively...
I think assuming that every single person on the take enjoys being in such a position is a stubborn and unrealistic way to look at government programs. There is a genuine function of such things and there is genuine abuse.

But I ask you at 10% unemployment are those collecting guilty of poor work ethics or "easiest way to get by...."? You have one out of ten people broke, jobless, hungry and you will have an equal amount of crime to offset a good portion of those people. BTW I think the "Independent Spirit" has much more to do with the IN-dividual than it does external forces.

The last line reads like a very familiar pre packaged spin that we all know very well.
You ignored a million and one things that go horribly wrong in life, catastrophic illness,
car accidents, falling off of ladders, hit in the head with a baseball, shot in the spine...
Many who are on the take because of these types of things.


How about you yourself? What if you and your partner get run off the road by an uninsured motorist god forbid?

Does your theory mean that you and yours are entitlement slaves lacking work ethic if you cannot work because of blinding headaches, severed spine or traumatic brain injury? Are your offspring going to enjoy being piss poor and decide to do the same because it looks fantastic?

This is not a far stretch based upon your theory-

You assume the worst so you see the worst + you ignore each case, in favor of a blanket statement.


[edit on 31-10-2009 by Janky Red]

Dumb people seem to be working in "hard" labor. Fast food, etc...about as hard as it gets these days.

Average people work in certain trades. Plumbing, etc.

Smart people end up working in an office. These people basically move the resources around that the dumb and average people produce, until they "fit" society...of course while taking a fair share themselves.

Exceptions to the rule as always. The dumb person works with their muscles, the average person works with their heart, and the smart person works with their brain.

[edit on 2-11-2009 by FritosBBQTwist]

I didn't mean to sound like I was just making a political attack on you. I was just wondering why you were saying that political ideology is dead to you... and that's the ideology that you seemed to be supporting. Maybe to get the right to agree with you and the left to agree with you- you should try to support something that doesn't have the government doing everything for the people? Conservatives tend to see governments that give everything for the people- and perhaps they're correct as a negation of liberty since people would be dependent on the government for everything in such a society. So. Good luck with your campaign though. I didn't mean to come off the wrong way.