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Topic started on 30-10-2009 @ 11:41 PM by ProfEmeritus
www.guardian.co.uk...

Canada sets aside its boreal forest as giant carbon vault

By banning logging, mining and oil drilling in an area twice the size of California, Canada is ensuring its boreal forests continue to soak up carbon.

n the far north latitudes, buried within a seemingly endless expanse of evergreen forests, the authorities in Canada are building up one of the world's best natural defences against global warming.

In a series of initiatives, Canadian provincial governments and aboriginal leaders have set aside vast tracts of coniferous woods, wetlands, and peat. The conservation drive bans logging, mining, and oil drilling on some 250m acres – an area more than twice the size of California.

The sheer scale of the forest conservation drive is somewhat of an anomaly for Canada, whose government has been accused of sabotaging the global climate change talks by its development of the Alberta tar sands and its refusal to make deep cuts in its greenhouse gas emissions.

Last week, a former adviser to Barack Obama urged Canada to do more to keep up with America's moves towards a cleaner energy economy.

In the latest addition to the carbon storehouse, the provincial premier of Manitoba, Gary Doer, this month announced a $10m (£5.6m) Canadian fund to protect a 10.8m acre expanse of boreal or evergreen forest. It was one of Doer's last acts as premier; he took over as Canada's ambassador to Washington this month.

The $10m will go towards efforts by indigenous leaders to designate boreal forest lands in eastern Manitoba as a Unesco world heritage site. The Pimachiowin Aki world heritage project, which straddles the Manitoba-Ontario border, extends efforts by Canadian provincial leaders to protect the wide swaths of pristine forests in the north. It also ensures the survival of one of the best natural defences against global warming after the world's oceans, environmentalists say.

A report by the International Boreal Conservation Campaign said the forests, with their rich mix of trees, wetlands, peat and tundra, were a far bigger carbon store than scientists had realised, soaking up 22% of the total carbon stored on the earth's land surface.



reply posted on 31-10-2009 @ 09:28 AM by TheRedneck
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

reply to
post by out west

I'm not sure what it is you are trying to convey here:
  1. You can fit cali in the back pocket of this area.

    Are you saying they didn't set aside enough?

  2. The borrel forrests are nothing but # lumber. not good for logging. The giant fir forrest of western BC is where all the money trees are at. In fact some of the largest clear-cuts in the world are there. You can see them from space.

    That would appear to me to be a good reason why they should use it as an untouchable resource. The quality of the lumber in the area has no bearing on the amount of CO2 it uses or the amount of O2 it produces.

    If we (humans) want to have homes and buildings, we have to have something to make them out of. Lumber (wood) has proven itself to be an excellent material for this usage. Pound for pound, it is stronger than steel, it is easy to cut and shape on site, and it is fairly inexpensive compared to other materials that are available. (I just saw yesterday 8' 2x4s (pine) being sold for $1.97 each; the same store charges upwards of $10 for a similar plastic piece of building material.)

    Also, just because the wood is not straight, it does not follow that it is useless by any means. A tremendous number of trees are logged for paper mills, where they are chipped into tiny fibers. The shape and clearness of the wood, qualities that are sought for lumber, are irrelevant when used for paper.

  3. There are probably no roads to this area & it would cost alot to get there and develop it. They can do better with natural gas in the NWT.

    I am taking this as meaning that drilling for oil deposits is not very feasible in the area. That is a good thing. It's another reason why setting this particular area aside is a good decision. Canada is making the most use of its resources by setting aside areas which are less commercially viable, as opposed to those which could produce oil or other hydrocarbon fuels.

    You do realize a great deal of that gasoline you use to travel from point A to point B comes form Canada, right? They are our major supplier of oil, far above the Middle East.

  4. Canada has been trying to pay off the First Nations now for years. Not like america they never signed any treatys. This I think is a buy out for this tribe. They gave them some land and 10 million which wont go very far now days as this is probaly is a one time pay out.

    In a series of initiatives, Canadian provincial governments and aboriginal leaders have set aside vast tracts of coniferous woods, wetlands, and peat.

    {emphasis mine}
    Source: www.guardian.co.uk...

    That doesn't sound like they gave the land to the aboriginals; rather it sounds like they agreed to set it aside with aboriginal approval.

  5. The more i read this the more I think BS. The conservation drive is on 250m acres But they only give the Nations $10m to protect 10m acres. This sounds like a lot to us south of the border but the key words are "endless expanse of evergreen forests". Northern canada just goes on & on & on.

    $10 million does not indeed sound like much, especially when compared to the sums of money our government tends to throw at whatever problem we happen to be interested in on a particular day. But then again, consider what the money would be for: it's to do nothing to the land. I all the years that I have owned this forest behind me that I alluded to before, how much money do you think I have spent on 'saving' it? The answer: $0. It costs nothing to do nothing.

    As to the endless expanse, yes it is an endless expanse, but under this at least 250 million acres will always be a part of that endless expanse. Are you saying it's not enough?

  6. In fact they dont even speak of acres up there, its all in hectors.

    Area is area. 1 acre = 0.404687261 hectares. 1 hectare = 2.471 acres.

    How are the units used relevant?

  7. Remember, dont believe anything these media & government pricks tell ya.

    Are you saying this is not happening? That the area was not set aside as indicated in the OP? What do you base this on?


TheRedneck

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reply posted on 31-10-2009 @ 01:28 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by TheRedneck



Great post, Redneck. You beat me to the punch with your response. The amazing statistic is that this forest alone handles 22% of the free carbon.
Although they are banning logging, I would think that they have a way of clearing trees that need to be replace, but that is a great point.
Thank you for posting.


reply posted on 31-10-2009 @ 02:19 PM by unfndqlt
reply to post by ProfEmeritus





The amazing statistic is that this forest alone handles 22% of the free carbon.


Really? Not saying your wrong, that just seems surprising... can you post source?

I was of the understanding that an overwhelming majority of the O2 was produced by algae.

[edit on 31-10-2009 by unfndqlt]


reply posted on 31-10-2009 @ 02:22 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by unfndqlt





Really? Not saying your wrong, that just seems surprising... can you post source?

Sure, it's the caption on the picture in the article in the OP.


reply posted on 31-10-2009 @ 02:23 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by tothetenthpower





Well here's another reason that I am proud to be Canadian. This is a great initiative by our government and the aboriginals who care for these places far more than we will ever understand.

Good, you have every right to be proud. Canada is a great country, and so are its people. Sometimes, I wish our politicians would take a hint from some of the innovative things that Canada has done.


reply posted on 31-10-2009 @ 02:46 PM by unfndqlt
reply to post by ProfEmeritus



yeah that's embarrassing... Thanks



Canada's boreal forest soaks up 22% of the carbon stored on the earth's land surface


I think I was correct though. This stat just concerns CO2 over land and not world wide...



reply posted on 31-10-2009 @ 02:58 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by unfndqlt


I saw that. I would have liked to have seen a more complete set of statistics on that in the article, as you pointed out.


reply posted on 31-10-2009 @ 03:24 PM by TheRedneck
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

reply to
post by Duzey

A very wise man once said:

"There is no limit to what a man can do or what he can achieve, as long as he doesn't mind who gets the credit."

The credit for this can go to a schizophrenic leprechaun for all I care. The benefits will always be to those who inhabit this planet.

TheRedneck

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



reply posted on 31-10-2009 @ 03:27 PM by Duzey
reply to post by TheRedneck



I'd prefer that pressure be kept up on the people who are doing the polluting, instead of a false impresison being created by fluffy news pieces.
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