He contradict himself.



[edit on 30-10-2009 by StopComplaining]

Do people actually want the ADL to arbitrarily determine what is a "Hate Crime" and therefore merit incredibly strong sentences.

The Talmud says you can sodomise boys and that is O.K. do you really want the law to reflect these views?

How about the ACLU "Anti Christian Lawyers Union" that sound discriminatory to me do you think they will be closed down?

This sort of thing really bugs me.
I find it to be a total waste of time;
a waste of money;
well, I guess it just goes to show that our legislator's minds are totally wasted. grrrr..

A crime is a crime.
Now they want to penilize the perp because they think he hates the victim.
But only certain victims.
How about the spouse murderer who kills because the spouse is hated?
Is that in the bill anywhere?

Is it still OK to hate someone if you don't hurt them?
Did they go so far as to make it law that you can't say bad things about people you hate? What if someone overhears you say it...if they report it do you get in trouble?

Human idiocy never ceases to astound me.

Originally posted by StopComplaining
He contradict himself.

No, he doesn't. He says that the term "sexual orientation" in this bill does NOT include any of those terms in that long list.

Then he goes on to say. "Mr. Speaker, this bill addresses our resolve to end violence based on prejudice, and to guarantee that all Americans, regardless of race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability--or all of these philias and fetishes and isms that were put forward--need not live in fear because of who they are."

In other words, this bill is a step toward ending violence based on prejudice for yes, every American. No American should live in fear because of who they are. And should be legally judged only for what they DO.

In still other words, as long as those people on that long list don't ACT illegally and break the law, they should not live in fear. And I agree.

I personally dont understgand the whole hate crime thing. Ok first everyone wants equal rights correct. So if someone hurts someone beacuse they are black, gay, whatever why do they need a special law just for that? Why are the guilty not punishied as if the person hurt was just like everyone else a person. I feel the reason some of these groups of people have some many problems is they want to keep bringing attention to themselfs that they are special and need special rules and laws. Whatever happened to everone being treated equal. Everyone should be punished as if the victim was a peoson and not someone different.

Now out of fairness i am curious if a gay, black, or whatever killed a white person because they are white, is that a hate crime?

In my opinion i feel that these hate crime laws only alienate the ones that are supose to be protected even more by lableing them as different to begain with.

Just my thoughts, maybe someone will be able to make me see different.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Just to be clear, I wish there was no such thing as hate crime legislation, but I see it as a step toward equality under the law. I look forward to the day when people aren't hurt and killed for who they are and ALL people are treated equally under the law. But until then, they should be secure in the knowledge that they won't be attacked simply for who they are.

***So just exactly how is this law going to stop this from happening?
The whole idea of a hate crime law is sheer foolishness.

Our present laws are good enough. No need to attempt to mind read the perp. What arrogance.