Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

reply to post by TheCoffinman

Exactly, because it's not the swine flu that they're worried about. Same here: we have no major push going on to vaccinate everyone, in fact we have medical professionals coming out and stating their misgivings about the vaccine for swine flu as they were not adequately tested.

Typical that Reuter's would screw up the reporting, or should I say sanitize it. I prefer to check multiple sources if possible.

This closing down of the country (which is basically what is happening in the Ukraine) is a rather novel event in the European post-Communist era. I mean "novel" in the true sense of the word.

Mike

reply to post by severdsoul

Thanks for that report you quoted. Just for anyone who may wonder, where it says "oblast chief specialist", the word "oblast" means "regional". Not just some local specialist in a smaller town, in other words, but one of the top people.

Mike

Originally posted by JustMike

My apologies for missing out Moldova in the list.

No need to apologize. You gave me a reason to mention Transnistria...

I'm not saying that this mystery virus originates from there, or whether it might spread there. But who knows? At this point anything is possible. And it's in the same neighborhood after all...

Update:

Situation Update No. 4
On 30.10.2009 at 12:16 GMT+2

Ministry of Health has not established the exact diagnosis of the epidemic disease in the western regions of Ukraine. Health Minister Vasyl Knyazevich has given information about spread of diseases in the Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions today at the meeting of Cabinet of Ministers. According to the Minister, the World Health Organization is ready to render assistance to Ukrainian experts and the Ministry of Health in order to establish the cause of death and development of disease flu in the Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions. "We are working at receiving the vaccine against influenza A (H1N1) also", - said Vasily Knyazevich and asked the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to render assistance. Answering question of Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko about the definition of the specific nature of the disease, the head of the Ministry of Health said: "The nature of infections is viral one. But at the moment it is not defined, is it the Californian influenza H1N1, or it is our seasonal influenza. To date, there is no precise diagnosis."

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Originally posted by factbeforefiction
New Ukrainian Swine Flu joke:

What has feathers and vomits blood? Chicken Kiev

Like to let us know where you live, so that when children start dying of a horrible, unknown disease in your country, we can make up some disgusting, sick, heartless and moronic jokes?

People are dying from this. Many of them are young.

And you make jokes.

And someone gave you a star?

My God, what is wrong with some people?

Originally posted by kosmicjack
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Second, the last time we had any real outbreak of plague was in the dark ages, I think. During the last solar minimum. We are in a solar minimum now. Maybe those conditions that result from a solar minimum help to spread it somehow.

[edit on 30/10/2009 by kosmicjack]

I have heard of this correlation between solar minimum and plague before. I'll go digging into the sun activity records and see if I can come up with a pandemic outbreak pattern.

This thread interests me because I have a colleague who is hospitalized right now. He called in sick to work on Monday saying he thought he had the flu. By Tuesday he was in the hospital due to low electrolytes and worsening symptoms. Yesterday I got an update that he tested negative for both swine flu and conventional flu and they are calling it general pneumonia.

This is an otherwise healthy adult male. In a large metropolitan area on the East coast of the USA.

Oh, and as far as some of the home remedies mentioned in this thread... I have used the apple cider vinegar trick with success before. Cleared up a sinus infection quite nicely last year. I have been having headaches and stuffy bloody nose this week so it is time to start taking the vinegar again.

To those who know about / recommend colloidal silver: Can you make it by passing current between two .999 silver dollars? I don't have any pure silver wire but I have a lot of .999 silver bullion coins and I don't mind passing current between two of them if I can make decent colloidal silver. U2U me or create a thread with your reply. Thanks!

Originally posted by Hellmutt
I'm not saying that this mystery virus originates from there, or whether it might spread there. But who knows? At this point anything is possible. And it's in the same neighborhood after all...

With the way Europe is so open these days (which I approve of wholeheartedly), we're all in the same neighborhood.

Late September we had a long weekend here and so my wife and went on a trip to Bratislava, with visits to Vienna and Budapest thrown in for good measure. All in three days. No stops at any borders. We just rolled on through.

That's how easy it is...

reply to post by asen_y2k


Get yourself some Colloidal Silver, it will protect you from anything. It can be injected straight into the bloodstream for maximum effectiveness. Johns Hopkins University, here in the States, has used it to kill cancerous tumors by injection. The results/posts were deleted the next day though so the information is unavailable. Maybe it can be had from the medical registry?

Sad to here the Illuminati/Freemasonic organizations are hard at work murdering people again for the scare factor.

Let me be the first to say it... what I have been saying all along... I said when they insisted everyone get a swine flu shot, wait and see if it is a reaction to the shot that causes people to start dropping like flies everywhere. I'll bet that's what this is, a man made pandemic for depopulation purposes. If so, it will be every where all at once very soon, and it will be the people that took the shot... I have absolutely no proof of this, but because I think government is the cause and not the solution and because I don't trust big brother to do good, this is what I believe.

reply to post by Fromabove


I believe the Government can do good things for the people, when its profitable...

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by j2000

 

I noticed that also, nothing better but for big pharma to catch out on the scare moment running in that nation.

But even if the out brake is pneumonia plague they will tagged H1N1 because pneumonia is one of the side effects even when pneumonia by itself does it fair share of damage every year without the swine flu to help.

That is why most of the deaths been counted in the US are tagged to complications rather than direct h1n1 infection.

The catch is just that H1N1 is caused by a virus, whereas the true pnemonic plague, as I just researched, is caused by bacteria and needs antibiotic treatment, not a vaccine. So they could call it swine flu and vaccinate everyone, and people could still drop like flies, because the real cause is bacteria.

So is this H1N1 or not?
The media is reporting it as H1N1 Swine Flu.

Reuters: Ukraine shuts schools, halts campaigning over H1N1

AFP - Swine flu deaths soar, Ukraine closes schools

Originally posted by Katie
Could this be the H3N2 virus that has been making its way around Europe. Or is this another strain of whatever. How many of these virus's are out there? This one is suppose to be worse then the swine flu that is going around. This H3N2 strain targets people over 50. Nobody is safe.

www.medicalnewstoday.com...

It all depends on how many the WHO has genetically engineered to spread about the public. ALL of these virus's are MAN MADE, that is a fact. A virus does not suddenly appear NATURALLY in nature. A Virus is a blood born pathogen. That is a fact. Animals sometimes develop a virus from a bacterial growth from unsanitary waters or a insect bite or a burrowing tick. People get it from drastic changes in body temperature and food enzymes that are tainted, like from genetically altered food. Thank Monsanto for that!! Chemicals in the food can have adverse reactions in the intestine and create the virus or "bug". There is info all ovet the net from doctors and biologists who aren't afraid to tell the truth. Some have disappeared as a result but the info has spread.

www.whale.to...

Anotherone of my post stolen but it's ok on to my point.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Ukraine is shutting down!!

Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko said earlier that travelling between the regions and abroad could be restricted. Border guards also tightened controls, and if they find any symptoms of flu in people who cross the state border, they will immediately send them to local hospitals. Quarantine was imposed in the country’s nine western regions due to the epidemic of the H1N1 influenza, commonly known as swine flu. It was also decided to declare a three-week ban on all mass events and introduce a three-week holiday period at all educational institutions.

trancy.net...

www.euronews.net... s/

reply to post by Bcs8484


No even a pandemic and a national emergency has closed our borders here in the US, after if the government here in the US was so much trying to protect the nation they would have done that just like in the Ukraine when the first sick people show up in Mexico.

The deceptions don't stop from amazing me.

reply to post by nydsdan
Do you gargle with 'straight' apple cider vinegar, or dilute it with water? I hope that it is diluted. I am just coming down with fever and chills, I want to try it.

reply to post by nydsdan

For whatever reasons or hidden agendas they have, the western media are mis-reporting this as "swine flu".

The OP has made it abundantly clear that this "shutdown" of the Ukraine is not in response to the previously-known swine flu, but to a new and as yet unidentified infectious agent. There are also various materials referenced in the thread that confirm what the OP is saying.

These western media sources are not telling the true story. Sadly, that doesn't surprise me.

reply to post by sylvie


That is every true, thanks for the information, you know we have a pneumonia vaccine also.

Do I really need to quote myself? Ok, it's a big thread now, I know. It's NOT the H1N1 virus.

Originally posted by Hellmutt

Virus H1N1 not to blame for fatal cases in western Ukraine

28-10-2009


Health Minister Vasyl Kniazevych says that express diagnostics has not found that H1N1 virus has caused death of nine people who died of pneumonia in Ternopil region.

In his words, a total of 95 people have been rushed to hospital with pneumonia, including 25 in a serious condition.

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The minister noted that the main objective is to identify the virus causing the disease, which is expected to take several weeks.

The death toll has since risen to 37, and as you can see it'll take "several weeks" to identify this mystery virus (which is NOT the H1N1 virus). And check the source (nrcu.gov.ua). Forget the blogs or the western media who mistakenly says it's H1N1.

Originally posted by sylvie

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by j2000

 

I noticed that also, nothing better but for big pharma to catch out on the scare moment running in that nation.

But even if the out brake is pneumonia plague they will tagged H1N1 because pneumonia is one of the side effects even when pneumonia by itself does it fair share of damage every year without the swine flu to help.

That is why most of the deaths been counted in the US are tagged to complications rather than direct h1n1 infection.

The catch is just that H1N1 is caused by a virus, whereas the true pnemonic plague, as I just researched, is caused by bacteria and needs antibiotic treatment, not a vaccine. So they could call it swine flu and vaccinate everyone, and people could still drop like flies, because the real cause is bacteria.

To tell a true story, I went to my doctor to get a pneumonia shot that protects me for ten years against 23 types of pneumonia knowing that this is the side effect that does the killing in swine flu. He insisted I get the swine flu shot instead. I told him I'll shop around till I get what I want, so he relented and gave me the pneumonia shot as I asked for. I would suggest that every go get the pneumonia shot instead.