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RSOE is a Hungarian site. Also, the numbers are false, and even lower, close to zero in Hungary. The mentioned H1N1 cases even the death reports were not H1N1 at all. I live here in Hungary, so I can confirm the numbers are completely false. The death of those four people wasn't killed by H1N1 and one of them was also confirmed by the officials that the autopsy proved, it wasn't H1N1. But somehow they forgot to draw that one out, because 4 looks better then the official 3.
Originally posted by argentus
Hungary hasn't necessarily been "spared", however I agree with you that reported numbers do seem low. Also note that the above site hasn't updated the Ukraine (and presumably other) numbers since Saturday.
The Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs (Ukrainian: Міністерство внутрішніх справ України, Ministerstvo vnutrishnikh sprav Ukrayiny, MVS) is the national police authority of Ukraine. It is a centralized agency headed by a Minister of Internal Affairs (currently Yuriy Lutsenko), who is not only a formal member of the Ukraine's Cabinet of Ministers, but also the actual commander of the country's police.
It brake out four days ago in Ukraine and Romania, even more. It would be here already as many foreign workers are coming across our borders. But here, we have nothing at all. Also it's reached Poland, which is a bit far from here, toward the north, but again, it skipped Hungary. How?
Originally posted by broli
reply to post by Sharrow
It didn't miss a country, Ukraine is the origin of this new virus.
RSOE is working for the government. We have a great extreme political situation here and we're not believing the government at all as they're lying to us in the last years, but we know that and they can't hide their tracks. They're trying to create fear, but we know when they're lying. When we had proofs about their H1N1 lies, as more then 85% of my people supports the fight again the H1N1, i.e. doctors, and when even the government media is made great mistakes in their reports, and we learned it, they stopped to create false numbers and create false death reports via the media. That's the reason why the official numbers are not risen at all. They realized, their lies are not working here. Here, they rather adhere to their power, then to make business with the H1N1. For the government, one more mistake and a civil war will be on their hands. So they're not even try to risk anything until the next year elections. Almost all government party is way under 10%. The governing party's support is less than 10%, their allies is less then 1%.
Originally posted by argentusI'm curious -- and this isn't a challenge, just a question -- what makes you believe that RSOE is overreporting in Hungary?
Originally posted by asen_y2k
reply to post by vita eternus
Yes I understand what you mean and being a ATS member for 2 years now I know pictures proove a lot. But I hope you can understand my situation. 3 policemen surrounding us and one in the car is not a situation where I could raise the phone and click a pic. All I could do was send a sms at that time to Mike(ATS member) to report on ATS that we can be arrested. Next time I will try to take pics from far if I see these guys.
Ukraine's Health Ministry said Monday that 67 people in the nation of 40 million have died of flu, but did not say how many of those deaths were related to swine flu. Worldwide, outbreaks of regular seasonal flu claim 50,000 lives each year.
Nevertheless, all schools have been closed for a week across Ukraine, even in the capital, Kiev, where there have been no confirmed cases of swine flu. In western Ukraine, local authorities advised people to travel only when necessary, a Health Ministry spokeswoman said.
All outdoor markets have been closed in the western region of Lviv, where the governor also urged cinemas, cafes, nightclubs and theaters to shut down until further notice.
Some observers, including the speaker of the parliament, Vladimir Litvin, suggested that these measures are the result of political wrangling ahead of the country's presidential election in January. The pivotal vote could overturn the 2004 Orange Revolution that swept a pro-Western government to power. "We are seeing a political competition to see who will be the first to lead this process (of fighting swine flu)," Litvin said, according to the UNIAN news agency.
After receiving the shipment of 300,000 doses of Tamiflu at Kiev's Borispol airport, Tymoshenko said her government plans to increase its hoard of the drug by another 300,000 to 950,000 doses. "This is the supply that will reliably protect Ukraine," Tymoshenko said, ITAR-Tass news agency reported.
Originally posted by nikiano
The pneumococcal vaccine should not be given out indiscriminantly....it is only recommended in a small group of people; people who are immunocompromised, and people who are missing a spleen. Plus, you can only take it twice in your life....revaccination more than once is not recommended.
Plus, remember, there are risks associated with EVERY vaccine. Here are some of the more serious risks from the pneumococal vaccine:
Hematologic: Hemolytic anemia, Thrombocytopenia
Immunologic: Anaphylactoid reaction, Angioedema, Serum sickness due to drug
Plus, the pneumococcal vaccine only protects against the most common cocci that causes pneumonia....this infection they are seeing in Ukraine is said to be "atypical" (caused by an atypical organism) which means the vaccine probably wouldn't protect against the bugs anyway. So, you would just be risking serious side effects for no reason.
Originally posted by asen_y2k
Guess what...police are imposing quarantine. They had AK 47 guns and bullet proof jackets, batons and pepper spray on them. Caught us right outside the hostel, asked us what we were doing outside. We explained them about the meds. They did a full body search, detained us at the spot for 30mins. One guy did not have his id, he got arrested and taken to the station.
[edit on 2/11/09 by asen_y2k]